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    Capitalism is farking cancer.
  • On the plus side, we're finally getting around to putting giant VLF antennas in the van allen belts to make them crash into the auroras.
  • This should get added to the next fallout game as a potential weather effect/random event.  Deorbiting satellites
  • Meh, it's going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not.  It's good the newer ones aren't as reflective. Hopefully we will get more space based telescopes. Sucks for the amateur.
  • MindStalker: Meh, it's going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not.  It's good the newer ones aren't as reflective. Hopefully we will get more space based telescopes. Sucks for the amateur.


    This.  Seriously, if you make space cheaper and more accessible to more customers, more shiat winds up in orbit.  Well fark, that's kind of been the point.

    I don't understand how you get the Neil deGrasse Tyson types, who've been clamoring for increased access to space for -decades-, in a manner that's not solely for nation state dick measuring contests, suddenly act surprised when increased access to space happens, and its used for commercial purposes?  What did you think democratization of space was gonna look like?
  • MindStalker: Meh, it's going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not.  It's good the newer ones aren't as reflective. Hopefully we will get more space based telescopes. Sucks for the amateur.


    I still have to applaud Iridium for turning satellite flare problems into a fan club.
  • Just like I fought tooth and nail to get a croissant from the corner cafe this morning.
  • "In the future, everyone will have their own satellite for 15 minutes."
  • MindStalker: Meh, it's going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not.  It's good the newer ones aren't as reflective. Hopefully we will get more space based telescopes. Sucks for the amateur.


    Um..... the James Webb is going to launch when?

    I mean, sure, there are some ground based observatories that have had delays (like the 30m because of their stupidity in picking a site), but it's nowhere near the delays for space-based telescopes

    At the very least, there needs to be a tax on satellites.  Maybe make it based on how bright they are, annually, and they can stop paying once they've de-orbited it.

    This is just another case of the tragedy of the commons

    /did some consulting for DKIST
    //also worked with SOHO, STEREO, SDO, and a bunch of spacecraft
  • This was inevitable. I'm a big astronomy geek, but astronomers need to stop arguing about it and figure out a solution because this is going to get worse over time. Starlink isn't the only company out there with this business model, they're just the first.
  • Sucks for all those uh, amateur, uh, PhD physics students and their hobbyist professors doing their stupid quantum entanglement experiments using ground based telescopes for triangulation and timing. They just need space-based telescopes.

    These weird nerds defending Musk and denigrating actual scientists doing actual work trip me out. Because apparently when you're busy defending a billionaire, it's real easy to forget that ground based telescopes only uses by hobbyists.
  • NASA has a number of ex-spy satellites lying around and hasn't gotten around to launching them... although they were gifted by the NRO to become telescopes (just like Hubble is a turned-around KH-11)... and the "geoengineering" crap is clickbait.
  • TWolfJaeger: MindStalker: Meh, it's going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not.  It's good the newer ones aren't as reflective. Hopefully we will get more space based telescopes. Sucks for the amateur.

    This.  Seriously, if you make space cheaper and more accessible to more customers, more shiat winds up in orbit.  Well fark, that's kind of been the point.

    I don't understand how you get the Neil deGrasse Tyson types, who've been clamoring for increased access to space for -decades-, in a manner that's not solely for nation state dick measuring contests, suddenly act surprised when increased access to space happens, and its used for commercial purposes?  What did you think democratization of space was gonna look like?


    I never got the impression Tyson was in favor of more commsats for rich parasite asswipes; but rather actual exploration for human benefit and advancement.
  • question_dj: Sucks for all those uh, amateur, uh, PhD physics students and their hobbyist professors doing their stupid quantum entanglement experiments using ground based telescopes for triangulation and timing. They just need space-based telescopes.

    These weird nerds defending Musk and denigrating actual scientists doing actual work trip me out. Because apparently when you're busy defending a billionaire, it's real easy to forget that ground based telescopes only uses by hobbyists.


    So the solution is no more satellites in LEO because these guys have research to do. Everyone out of their way. LEO is closed. Where should we put the moose to let everyone know?
  • Russ1642: question_dj: Sucks for all those uh, amateur, uh, PhD physics students and their hobbyist professors doing their stupid quantum entanglement experiments using ground based telescopes for triangulation and timing. They just need space-based telescopes.

    These weird nerds defending Musk and denigrating actual scientists doing actual work trip me out. Because apparently when you're busy defending a billionaire, it's real easy to forget that ground based telescopes only uses by hobbyists.

    So the solution is no more satellites in LEO because these guys have research to do. Everyone out of their way. LEO is closed. Where should we put the moose to let everyone know?


    On the launchpad?
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    Capitalism is farking cancer.


    And THAT'S from a documentary made by capitalists who have taken over the system already, so it's probably going to be a lot worse than that.
  • koder: [Fark user image image 500x288]

    Capitalism is farking cancer.


    Pentagon smiles
  • RolandTGunner: "In the future, everyone will have their own satellite for 15 minutes."


    Or 24/7 to be spied on
  • Uh oh, one of these threads again.

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  • MindStalker: Meh, it's going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not.  It's good the newer ones aren't as reflective. Hopefully we will get more space based telescopes. Sucks for the amateur.


    It's not just amateurs. There's a lot of good science being done by ground-based observatories that would be prohibitively expensive to do in space. And a more immediate concern is that asteroid-detecting instruments like LSST may be hobbled.

    This idea that the only real science being done is being done by space observatories not accurate at all.
  • Astronomers and those on their side may scream all they want but the militaries of the world have bigger checkbooks.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc​.​com/amp/2021/03/12/spacex-prepares-for​-air-force-test-of-starlink-satellite-​internet.html

    These LEO constellations have huge strategic value and  this is why Russia, U.K. and China are also developing their own systems.  Real-time broadband data links are key to networked warfare and intelligence.
  • I wonder how these threads will go when a Chinese company decides to start putting their own up there.
  • drjekel_mrhyde: I wonder how these threads will go when a Chinese company decides to start putting their own up there.


    I can tell you based on another article detailing China's ghastly surveillance and mass detention of Uighurs that the comment section will absolutely drown in whataboutism.

    Remember, if someone does something bad, a Fark thread ALWAYS has to criticize the US (or a US figure) as well, regardless of topical relevance.
  • BrundleFlyForAWhiteGuy: drjekel_mrhyde: I wonder how these threads will go when a Chinese company decides to start putting their own up there.

    I can tell you based on another article detailing China's ghastly surveillance and mass detention of Uighurs that the comment section will absolutely drown in whataboutism.

    Remember, if someone does something bad, a Fark thread ALWAYS has to criticize the US (or a US figure) as well, regardless of topical relevance.


    That's the same kind of deflecting nonsense General Custer would've said as he ignited the satellite lasers against the Natives if he had them.
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