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Linux_Yes: teto85: I'll bid 1000 Quatloos.
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the 10 trillion one is for the AMD graphics card running open source drivers. the Nvidia one is 29.99.
The open source driver impacts on demand are in the noise, due to cryptocurrency mining assholes.
There's also relatively few of the AAA releases on Linux but more than I expected.
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dmike: sprgrss: Why are graphics cards costing so much lately?
And by lately do you mean the last year solid?
Scalpers and asshole cryptocurrency miners who pay sky high scalper prices.
what does cryptocurrency mining have to do with graphics cards?
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sprgrss: dmike: sprgrss: Why are graphics cards costing so much lately?
And by lately do you mean the last year solid?
Scalpers and asshole cryptocurrency miners who pay sky high scalper prices.
what does cryptocurrency mining have to do with graphics cards?
Graphics Processing Units or GPUs are better at some forms of computing that CPUs. Unfortunately the BS busy work of mining cryptocurrency is one of those.
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Tenatra: likefunbutnot: I pulled every pcie graphics card from every system in my recycle pile last month. Every one of them sold for at least $40. I'm talking 10 year old+ garbage stuff. People are insane.
I've had a couple 2gb ddr5 cards that I've held onto for emergency use if I need to get by with them. I bought them in 2013 for $90. People are still trying to get ~$75 for em. I did use one of them for months after I sold my 1080ti and I have it in a PC I threw together for work right now. Would have went the APU route and skipped on the gpu altogether but those prices were driven up last year as well.
gamergirl23: Am I the only one who signed up for the EVGA notification list? Granted, you'd be better off if you'd done it last year, but better late than never.
I signed up for a bunch of em about a week after the waitlist came out when I had no 30 series card and then went back and filled in more entries with the 3060 I think around December. I just got my first notification to buy an AIO watercooled 3090 on July 8th. 24G-P5-3988-KR Pass :p
I've gotten 5 notifications and didn't bother to buy one 3070 because no one I knew wanted it (at retail, I'm not a monster). Of course after that two people changed their minds. So far it's two 3060 ti, Two 3070, and a 3060.
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sprgrss: dmike: sprgrss: Why are graphics cards costing so much lately?
And by lately do you mean the last year solid?
Scalpers and asshole cryptocurrency miners who pay sky high scalper prices.
what does cryptocurrency mining have to do with graphics cards?
A modern CPU has 4 cores, give or take a couple. A mod range GPU has hundreds of cores, and a high end GPU thousands.
While these cores are much more limited to what they can do than a normal CPU, they can do a LOT of calculations, and are well suited for highly parallel workloads, such as cryptomining. A computer with a great video card can mine hundreds of times faster than one using just the CPU...
Global demand for videocards greatly exceeds available supplies, leading to the current situationn... IN no small part due to general chip production shortages plaguing the market - Nvidia and AMD can't just order a few extra truckloads of chips since the capacity isn't there. Other industries are hurting by this as well, with Toyota and Ford both being forced to shut down car factories for months on end because they can't get enough of the chips they need to finish the cars. Big box suppliers like Dell, Lenovo and HP have backorder on some of their lines of office computers and monitors that literally take months to get filled
intel stated that they expect it to take at least another 2 years before they will be able to meet demands, and other manufacturers like tsmc and Samsung have similar delays.
Big reason for that is that a modern chip manufacturing foundry will cost a minimum of 10 billion US to build, and actual cost may be much higher than that so there are very few companies that can do it at all. It's not the kind of thing where you can just power up a few extra production lines next month.
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Excelsior: sprgrss: dmike: sprgrss: Why are graphics cards costing so much lately?
And by lately do you mean the last year solid?
Scalpers and asshole cryptocurrency miners who pay sky high scalper prices.
what does cryptocurrency mining have to do with graphics cards?
A modern CPU has 4 cores, give or take a couple. A mod range GPU has hundreds of cores, and a high end GPU thousands.
While these cores are much more limited to what they can do than a normal CPU, they can do a LOT of calculations, and are well suited for highly parallel workloads, such as cryptomining. A computer with a great video card can mine hundreds of times faster than one using just the CPU...
Global demand for videocards greatly exceeds available supplies, leading to the current situationn... IN no small part due to general chip production shortages plaguing the market - Nvidia and AMD can't just order a few extra truckloads of chips since the capacity isn't there. Other industries are hurting by this as well, with Toyota and Ford both being forced to shut down car factories for months on end because they can't get enough of the chips they need to finish the cars. Big box suppliers like Dell, Lenovo and HP have backorder on some of their lines of office computers and monitors that literally take months to get filled
intel stated that they expect it to take at least another 2 years before they will be able to meet demands, and other manufacturers like tsmc and Samsung have similar delays.
Big reason for that is that a modern chip manufacturing foundry will cost a minimum of 10 billion US to build, and actual cost may be much higher than that so there are very few companies that can do it at all. It's not the kind of thing where you can just power up a few extra production lines next month.
Honest question: They probably wouldn't do it because money, but couldn't the GPU manufacturers simply throttle their cards if it senses it's being used for cryptomining instead of gaming?
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Rwa2play: Excelsior: sprgrss: dmike: sprgrss: Why are graphics cards costing so much lately?
And by lately do you mean the last year solid?
Scalpers and asshole cryptocurrency miners who pay sky high scalper prices.
what does cryptocurrency mining have to do with graphics cards?
A modern CPU has 4 cores, give or take a couple. A mod range GPU has hundreds of cores, and a high end GPU thousands.
While these cores are much more limited to what they can do than a normal CPU, they can do a LOT of calculations, and are well suited for highly parallel workloads, such as cryptomining. A computer with a great video card can mine hundreds of times faster than one using just the CPU...
Global demand for videocards greatly exceeds available supplies, leading to the current situationn... IN no small part due to general chip production shortages plaguing the market - Nvidia and AMD can't just order a few extra truckloads of chips since the capacity isn't there. Other industries are hurting by this as well, with Toyota and Ford both being forced to shut down car factories for months on end because they can't get enough of the chips they need to finish the cars. Big box suppliers like Dell, Lenovo and HP have backorder on some of their lines of office computers and monitors that literally take months to get filled
intel stated that they expect it to take at least another 2 years before they will be able to meet demands, and other manufacturers like tsmc and Samsung have similar delays.
Big reason for that is that a modern chip manufacturing foundry will cost a minimum of 10 billion US to build, and actual cost may be much higher than that so there are very few companies that can do it at all. It's not the kind of thing where you can just power up a few extra production lines next month.
Honest question: They probably wouldn't do it because money, but couldn't the GPU manufacturers simply throttle their cards if it senses it's being used for cryptomining instead of gaming?
Some of them are, but they shifted most of their production to mining cards.
Also people are good at unthrottling local hardware.
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Rwa2play: Excelsior: sprgrss: dmike: sprgrss: Why are graphics cards costing so much lately?
And by lately do you mean the last year solid?
Scalpers and asshole cryptocurrency miners who pay sky high scalper prices.
what does cryptocurrency mining have to do with graphics cards?
A modern CPU has 4 cores, give or take a couple. A mod range GPU has hundreds of cores, and a high end GPU thousands.
While these cores are much more limited to what they can do than a normal CPU, they can do a LOT of calculations, and are well suited for highly parallel workloads, such as cryptomining. A computer with a great video card can mine hundreds of times faster than one using just the CPU...
Global demand for videocards greatly exceeds available supplies, leading to the current situationn... IN no small part due to general chip production shortages plaguing the market - Nvidia and AMD can't just order a few extra truckloads of chips since the capacity isn't there. Other industries are hurting by this as well, with Toyota and Ford both being forced to shut down car factories for months on end because they can't get enough of the chips they need to finish the cars. Big box suppliers like Dell, Lenovo and HP have backorder on some of their lines of office computers and monitors that literally take months to get filled
intel stated that they expect it to take at least another 2 years before they will be able to meet demands, and other manufacturers like tsmc and Samsung have similar delays.
Big reason for that is that a modern chip manufacturing foundry will cost a minimum of 10 billion US to build, and actual cost may be much higher than that so there are very few companies that can do it at all. It's not the kind of thing where you can just power up a few extra production lines next month.
Honest question: They probably wouldn't do it because money, but couldn't the GPU manufacturers simply throttle their cards if it senses it's being used for cryptomining instead of gaming?
Nvidia actually tried doing just that not long ago with the drivers for the RTX cards, they made it so the cards would be severely throttled if being used for crypto mining. But then they accidentally released a driver update that disabled the throttling and the cat was pretty much out of the bag at that point.
People would have figured a work-around for it anyway eventually though.
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OptimisticCynicism: Am i the only one that didn't have much trouble getting a GPU last year? Asus 1660 GTX Super for $230.
I got a 1650 super in January for $160 I think. And now I have to see if the graphic designer friend I'm putting a pc together for wants to switch to a 3080 ti.
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It's now down to $26:
https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/129440538
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gamergirl23: OptimisticCynicism: Am i the only one that didn't have much trouble getting a GPU last year? Asus 1660 GTX Super for $230.
I got a 1650 super in January for $160 I think. And now I have to see if the graphic designer friend I'm putting a pc together for wants to switch to a 3080 ti.
1650 to 3080 is a big jump...
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OptimisticCynicism: Am i the only one that didn't have much trouble getting a GPU last year? Asus 1660 GTX Super for $230.
That's a 25% markup on retail I think.
I'm the only local customer at the datacenter where all my IT operations are. The ops guys there get electricity free (the datacenter buys wholesale so nothing they can possibly do will be anything but a blip), so they were all running GPU mining rigs with 1080TIs. They sold most of them off in 2020 to move on to ASIC setups and I was able to get a dozen cards for $150 each. I know mining cards are suspect but none of the systems I put them in have had any issues. When I look at card prices now it hurts to know how much cash I left on the table with those but on the other hand, some of my friends were able to get in to PC gaming and that's awesome all on its own.
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OptimisticCynicism: gamergirl23: OptimisticCynicism: Am i the only one that didn't have much trouble getting a GPU last year? Asus 1660 GTX Super for $230.
I got a 1650 super in January for $160 I think. And now I have to see if the graphic designer friend I'm putting a pc together for wants to switch to a 3080 ti.
1650 to 3080 is a big jump...
She only has a laptop from 2019 now. Not sure what card is in that. Her 3060 ti is already coming Friday, but I had to special order her a ridiculously tiny case because she will eventually travel a lot for work and that's not even close to being here yet. She's probably not going to want it because she'll have to go with a bigger case.
The 1650 was just the living room card for couch co-op stuff.
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gamergirl23: OptimisticCynicism: Am i the only one that didn't have much trouble getting a GPU last year? Asus 1660 GTX Super for $230.
I got a 1650 super in January for $160 I think. And now I have to see if the graphic designer friend I'm putting a pc together for wants to switch to a 3080 ti.
If you look at Amazon right now, the vast majority of listings for 1650 Super's are not in stock, except for some refurbished cards that range from $499 to $659.
/Quick glance at the the 3080 ti on amazon seems to range from $1,862 to $2,999 e.a.
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likefunbutnot: OptimisticCynicism: Am i the only one that didn't have much trouble getting a GPU last year? Asus 1660 GTX Super for $230.
That's a 25% markup on retail I think.
I'm the only local customer at the datacenter where all my IT operations are. The ops guys there get electricity free (the datacenter buys wholesale so nothing they can possibly do will be anything but a blip), so they were all running GPU mining rigs with 1080TIs. They sold most of them off in 2020 to move on to ASIC setups and I was able to get a dozen cards for $150 each. I know mining cards are suspect but none of the systems I put them in have had any issues. When I look at card prices now it hurts to know how much cash I left on the table with those but on the other hand, some of my friends were able to get in to PC gaming and that's awesome all on its own.
I don't doubt you are right, but both the Asus store and best buy are listing at $330 and sold out atm. Compared to current GPU prices 25% markup sounds fown right reasonable.
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gamergirl23: She only has a laptop from 2019 now. Not sure what card is in that. Her 3060 ti is already coming Friday, but I had to special order her a ridiculously tiny case because she will eventually travel a lot for work and that's not even close to being here yet. She's probably not going to want it because she'll have to go with a bigger case.
The 1650 was just the living room card for couch co-op stuff.
keep in mind: very high end graphics & CPU in ridiculously tiny case = ridiculous fan noise as well. as in "it sounds like it's about ready to take off and fly around the room" Tiny fans are incredibly loud when they spin like crazy trying to cool a small enclosure.
large fans can spin WAY slower/quieter to move the same amount of air that a tiny fan goes nuts over.
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Excelsior: gamergirl23: She only has a laptop from 2019 now. Not sure what card is in that. Her 3060 ti is already coming Friday, but I had to special order her a ridiculously tiny case because she will eventually travel a lot for work and that's not even close to being here yet. She's probably not going to want it because she'll have to go with a bigger case.
The 1650 was just the living room card for couch co-op stuff.
keep in mind: very high end graphics & CPU in ridiculously tiny case = ridiculous fan noise as well. as in "it sounds like it's about ready to take off and fly around the room" Tiny fans are incredibly loud when they spin like crazy trying to cool a small enclosure.
large fans can spin WAY slower/quieter to move the same amount of air that a tiny fan goes nuts over.
My other friend wanted a small case too, but he was fine with an nr200p, She wants everything in a dancase so she can eventually take it with her. It's not my pc. Generally I don't go that small, but if she really hates it I'll move it into something else.
I know I could get rid of it for more than I pay for it, but I really only build stuff for family and friends at cost. And from that perspective, it's a terrible card to recommend on a price for performance basis.
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gamergirl23: I know I could get rid of it for more than I pay for it, but I really only build stuff for family and friends at cost. And from that perspective, it's a terrible card to recommend on a price for performance basis.
Right now, the best videocard is the one you can actually get your hands on.
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Excelsior: gamergirl23: I know I could get rid of it for more than I pay for it, but I really only build stuff for family and friends at cost. And from that perspective, it's a terrible card to recommend on a price for performance basis.
Right now, the best videocard is the one you can actually get your hands on.
I know, but my niece got the 1650 super. A friend got a 1050 ti. I already have a 3070, 3060, and 1660, and a backup 1gb card. I have a 3060 ti that's waiting on a few other parts. Another in the mail. Of all people, I probably need it the least.
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BumpInTheNight: I couldn't be bothered to sell my old video cards, so I made a back-lit shelf and display them in my office. There's nothing newer then my three (yes three) GTX580s on it for now because I've loaned out my 980s and 1080s and still using my 2080TIs (in separate systems, SLI is not worth it anymore).
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I usually store my old hardware in closets and boxes, but that is a very nice backlit shelf and they're well organized.
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