Comments

  • It is not zoned as a church is the issue. If zoned as a place of worship it wouldn't have been a problem. I know of a church in an affluent area that does overnight shelter and they didn't to get any permissions. Granted they have no signs and guests have to pre-register and be screened.
  • Someone really needs to organize a dance-off to come up with a lot of money quickly.
  • It says that hotels would be allowed to operate in the area. So just charge a penny a night and leave a bucket of pennies by the front door.
  • "If the injustice is part of the necessary friction of the machine of government, let it go, let it go: perchance it will wear smooth--certainly the machine will wear out. If the injustice has a spring, or a pulley, or a rope, or a crank, exclusively for itself, then perhaps you may consider whether the remedy will not be worse than the evil; but if it is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then I say, break the law. Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine. What I have to do is to see, at any rate, that I do not lend myself to the wrong which I condemn."

    If these Christians really cared, they'd just break the law and let the chips fall where they may.  Which, to be fair, they might be doing that and just not advertising it.
  •  
    They don't want them homeless. They don't want the homemore. They just don't want them.
  • Ew, it's in Reason and as such is an affront to my delicate confirmation bias.
  • kudayta: "If the injustice is part of the necessary friction of the machine of government, let it go, let it go: perchance it will wear smooth--certainly the machine will wear out. If the injustice has a spring, or a pulley, or a rope, or a crank, exclusively for itself, then perhaps you may consider whether the remedy will not be worse than the evil; but if it is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then I say, break the law. Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine. What I have to do is to see, at any rate, that I do not lend myself to the wrong which I condemn."

    If these Christians really cared, they'd just break the law and let the chips fall where they may.  Which, to be fair, they might be doing that and just not advertising it.


    I agree. Just do it. And don't relent on anything. Ignore cease and desist, ignore the "constable" showing up. Make them call enough cops to make it happen. And when they do show up don't let them in until it's clear they are going to physically impose their will. Make the cops watch the homeless people walk out the door. and see the looks on their faces. Take pictures of the cops, get their badge numbers.

    Have local media ready to cover the story, maybe have them ready to come down with the cameras, reporters and the TV truck for live covereage when it's clear that the police are coming.
  • It boggles the mind the amount of money the city is spending to avoid allowing something someone else is willing to do for free.
  • FTFA:   "...Stopping that from happening are Gloversville's zoning officials, who say that the commercial zoning of the church's property and its downtown location prohibit it from hosting a cold weather shelter..."

    I have worked in public service for 25 years and know that bureaucracies exist.  Zoning officials in this eastern seaboard hamlet, so named because of a robust glove manufacturing industry, prove that they are real and spectacular!
  • Incident on 57th Street: FTFA:   "...Stopping that from happening are Gloversville's zoning officials, who say that the commercial zoning of the church's property and its downtown location prohibit it from hosting a cold weather shelter..."

    I have worked in public service for 25 years and know that bureaucracies exist.  Zoning officials in this eastern seaboard hamlet, so named because of a robust glove manufacturing industry, prove that they are real and spectacular!


    Are you saying they're doing this because they want people to buy gloves for the homeless instead of giving them a warm place to stay?

    Because that wouldn't surprise me in the least.
  • kudayta: If these Christians really cared, they'd just break the law and let the chips fall where they may.


    Hey now, it's not like they're Andrew Cuomo.
  • It's true, these people have no dicks.
  • jaylectricity: kudayta: "If the injustice is part of the necessary friction of the machine of government, let it go, let it go: perchance it will wear smooth--certainly the machine will wear out. If the injustice has a spring, or a pulley, or a rope, or a crank, exclusively for itself, then perhaps you may consider whether the remedy will not be worse than the evil; but if it is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then I say, break the law. Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine. What I have to do is to see, at any rate, that I do not lend myself to the wrong which I condemn."

    If these Christians really cared, they'd just break the law and let the chips fall where they may.  Which, to be fair, they might be doing that and just not advertising it.

    I agree. Just do it. And don't relent on anything. Ignore cease and desist, ignore the "constable" showing up. Make them call enough cops to make it happen. And when they do show up don't let them in until it's clear they are going to physically impose their will. Make the cops watch the homeless people walk out the door. and see the looks on their faces. Take pictures of the cops, get their badge numbers.

    Have local media ready to cover the story, maybe have them ready to come down with the cameras, reporters and the TV truck for live covereage when it's clear that the police are coming.


    This, this is the functional, winning plan.  I suspect this is already getting enough attention to make the local functionaries back down.

    May not be the sort of thing that people would associate with them (or maybe I'm only speaking for myself) but this is great work by Reason.  For my money, this is what journalists are supposed to be doing.  Comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable.
  • Naido: Comforting the afflicted and afflicting the comfortable.


    I like that.
  • Aren't the beds cold if they keep them in subzero temps?
  • When the cops show up, appeal to their humanity. When they say they're just following orders ask them why the police chief (or whoever gave the order) isn't there with them.

    True leaders are willing to do the things they're asking their subordinates to do. Ask the cops, "Where is the police chief? He/she sent you down here while he sits back in the office?"
  • Yeah so maybe if they get too cold they'll finally be responsible and buy a house.
  • ArkAngel: It boggles the mind the amount of money the city is spending to avoid allowing something someone else is willing to do for free.


    Look at how hard cities work to stop people from feeding the unhoused.

    Governments don't want to solve homelessness. They just want the homeless to go away, and they're willing to punish anyone who gets in the way of that banishment.
  • You can't harass the homeless into not existing. No matter how much Republican Jesus tells you that you can.
  • EnzoTheCoder: Someone really needs to organize a dance-off to come up with a lot of money quickly.


    Start playing the motivational montage music.  We have 90 seconds to organize this.
  • eurotrader: It is not zoned as a church is the issue. If zoned as a place of worship it wouldn't have been a problem. I know of a church in an affluent area that does overnight shelter and they didn't to get any permissions. Granted they have no signs and guests have to pre-register and be screened.


    It's not a church
    It's an old YMCA building they bought and are using as a food pantry on the lower floor.
    They converted the upper floor to a sleeping/food prep area.
    They never held services there, it was never a church.
  • kudayta: If these Christians really cared, they'd just break the law and let the chips fall where they may


    Better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission.
  • I'd rather a thousand homeless people die than allow them to be exposed to Christianity.
  • EnzoTheCoder: Someone really needs to organize a dance-off to come up with a lot of money quickly.

    Fark user imageView Full Size
  • Load 25 of 75 newer comments
  •  

 
If you can see this, something's wrong with your browser's CSS support.
  


Before adding a comment, please take a minute to review our posting rules and our legal/privacy policy.
By commenting, you agree to these terms. You might also want to take a look at our FAQ.