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  • They didn't want to spend 3 seasons on the 4th of 7 dwarf rings?
  • This is going to be an epic contest to see which one sucks more. Rings of Power or House of the Dragon?
  • sign says stay away fools
    because we're heading on down
    to the elf walk
  • Tolkien reshaped the entire genre of fantasy to basically be a million fan versions of middle earth.

    If we're going to do "official" middle earth, stick to what Tolkien wrote.
  • So at least there should be no squirrel droppings.
  • After the disaster that The Hobbit movies, good. It will still probably suck, but after those movies I don't have faith in his writing within Middle Earth.
  • leeksfromchichis: Tolkien reshaped the entire genre of fantasy to basically be a million fan versions of middle earth.

    If we're going to do "official" middle earth, stick to what Tolkien wrote.


    This is the thing that baffles me. I know the Tolkien name has value. But if you want to make a generic Tolkien themed fantasy story there's basically the entire genre that ripped him off that you can go play in
  • dsmith42: After the disaster that The Hobbit movies, good. It will still probably suck, but after those movies I don't have faith in his writing within Middle Earth.


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  • Are the fark Comic Book Men going to go into detail as to why I should give a shiat if that fat hobbit wasn't involved?
  • fark me, if they're just gonna nurse at the Tolkien money tit making shiat up why don't they go all in and have more fun with it?  Mr. Tom Bombadil, liberal hippy pacifist, inherits controlling interest in an orc mercenary company, with tons of hijinks as he and his whacked-out girlfriend Goldberry take down the military industrial complex from the inside!  Or gay Merry and Pippin run a pipe-weed store, but they're selling more than pipe-weed out of the back!  Will Shirriff Robin Smallburrow send them to the lockholes this week?  Or hell, a damn hobbit cooking show.  Those little farkers can stir up some groceries!
  • Lengthity is the soul of wit.
  • I just want to see a under 90 min scouring of the shire movie.
  • A half hour sit-com centered around The Prancing Pony in Bree.
  • The LotR movies are incredible films. The Hobbit films were doomed, GDT should've been kept on for a fresh take. I'm happy Jackson isn't involved in this series. After the show is out, I'll be back to say it needed more Antman.
  • This is fine, honestly. Even within the box of adapting from the same author's source material, showrunners/film producers of different projects should follow their own creative vision/approach, not be beholden to someone else's.
  • Crankpot: The LotR movies are incredible films. The Hobbit films were doomed, GDT should've been kept on for a fresh take. I'm happy Jackson isn't involved in this series. After the show is out, I'll be back to say it needed more Antman.


    Antman's timey-wimey shrinko power lets him go to other times, maybe he can go to other universes, like the Tolkien universe.  That's one messed up crossover I don't want to see... mostly.  The dwarves would make Logan an honorary dwarf.  Hell, let's retcon Logan into a half-dwarf.  Groot being all hasty in Fanghorn Forest would be fun and Rocket in Hobbiton trying to buy a beer...
  • leeksfromchichis: Tolkien reshaped the entire genre of fantasy to basically be a million fan versions of middle earth.

    If we're going to do "official" middle earth, stick to what Tolkien wrote.


    The History of Middle Earth series, while massive, shows that's not a thing as such.

    There's not really a Tolkien canon, except what's in LOTR & Hobbit books. He only wrote 2-3 brief stories set in the second age, he only summarized major events in the second age, There's not a strict canon as such. The only Tolkien canon was Hobbit (which isn't fully part of the Legendarium, anyway, technically) & Lord of the Rings. Those two were finished because he had a contract & legally had to finish them - even after publication made was changing and tweaking both.

    Silmarillion was his true life's passion & that's a collection of stories which he wrote, rewrote, changed, altered, rewrote from scratch, etc constantly from when he was a teenager to when he died. Half the versions contradict later versions. As he got older he actually wanted to completely rewrite Silmarillion & change almost everything,

    Tolkien canon is basically a mass of stories about certain epic things that happen, but very few of them were set in stone. Just like Greek Myths, Norse myths, Roman myths, Chinese myths - & honestly, that's what he wanted. That's why he referred it to the Legendarium.

    Tolkien admitted he had no problems with adaptations changing events, characters etc for media, but what he hated was people changing Motives. Sauron is not a lovable rogue. Aragorn is not a dark hero.
  • neongoats: Are the fark Comic Book Men going to go into detail as to why I should give a shiat if that fat hobbit wasn't involved?


    I don't think anyone was asking him to write or direct it. But his production company created a very definitive look and feel for Middle-earth, based mostly on the works of several key artists.

    It's lunacy to reinvent that particular wheel. Bring him and his staff in for sets, props, clothing, and possibly even some of the cinematography. Then the new show could feel somewhat connected to the films while still avoiding a lot of the nonsensical storytelling from the Hobbit films.
  • leeksfromchichis: Tolkien reshaped the entire genre of fantasy to basically be a million fan versions of middle earth.

    If we're going to do "official" middle earth, stick to what Tolkien wrote.


    As we have learned from The Hobbit movies (and to a lesser extent the LOTR films), things are alright as long as they stay as close as possible to Tolkien's written word. Every time they invent something new -- a new character, new plot point or storyline, a new setting or creature or backstory -- it's complete shiat.

    This show? It's 95% all new. The only resemblance it has to anything Tolkien wrote are some character and place names.

    Make of that what you will.
  • Metaluna Mutant: leeksfromchichis: Tolkien reshaped the entire genre of fantasy to basically be a million fan versions of middle earth.

    If we're going to do "official" middle earth, stick to what Tolkien wrote.

    The History of Middle Earth series, while massive, shows that's not a thing as such.

    There's not really a Tolkien canon, except what's in LOTR & Hobbit books. He only wrote 2-3 brief stories set in the second age, he only summarized major events in the second age, There's not a strict canon as such. The only Tolkien canon was Hobbit (which isn't fully part of the Legendarium, anyway, technically) & Lord of the Rings. Those two were finished because he had a contract & legally had to finish them - even after publication made was changing and tweaking both.

    Silmarillion was his true life's passion & that's a collection of stories which he wrote, rewrote, changed, altered, rewrote from scratch, etc constantly from when he was a teenager to when he died. Half the versions contradict later versions. As he got older he actually wanted to completely rewrite Silmarillion & change almost everything,

    Tolkien canon is basically a mass of stories about certain epic things that happen, but very few of them were set in stone. Just like Greek Myths, Norse myths, Roman myths, Chinese myths - & honestly, that's what he wanted. That's why he referred it to the Legendarium.

    Tolkien admitted he had no problems with adaptations changing events, characters etc for media, but what he hated was people changing Motives. Sauron is not a lovable rogue. Aragorn is not a dark hero.


    ^

    The only smart post in this thread so far.
  • Metaluna Mutant: Silmarillion was his true life's passion & that's a collection of stories which he wrote, rewrote, changed, altered, rewrote from scratch, etc constantly from when he was a teenager to when he died. Half the versions contradict later versions. As he got older he actually wanted to completely rewrite Silmarillion & change almost everything,


    Isn't that true of every mythology though?

    There is no definitive version of Heracles. There is no official Illiad. The Greek gods constantly changed habits, behaviors, motives, and ambitious as each generation told and retold their stories, applying their own use cases, omitting or embellishing or exaggerating in accordance with each storyteller's biases and interests.

    Mythology has always been an organic, living thing that grows in the telling, forking in different directions depending on era, location, language, or culture. That Tolkien was so indecisive about his own works suggests that not only did he know this, but he wanted his legendarium to have the same kind of stochastic ancientness to it, like a collective set of multiple worldlines that expanded like all old stories do when passed orally, iterating through each generation over a thousand years.
  • "Mr. Jackson, we'd like your help with our new Tolkien series."

    "Ah, of course. You'd like me to look over your scripts perhaps? Give them a little polish so they feel more in step with my own films?"

    "No, we're actually working really hard to ensure they're NOT like your films, or at least not like those Hobbit ones. What we'd really like to do is pick your brain for some production tips. The show is costing us a fortune, but you famously brought in your Lord of the Rings trilogy for under 100mil a movie. What was your secret?"

    "Oh, that's easy. It's actually one of the most expensive productions ever made, but I hid that by using a lot of slow motion. If you brought every scene back up to normal speed, you'd find I spent 300 million on less than an hour of screentime."

    "Sir, you are a genius. An evil genius, but a genius nonetheless."
  • clkeagle: But his production company created a very definitive look and feel for Middle-earth, based mostly on the works of several key artists.


    That's Middle Earth at the end of the Third Age.  Much of the past is lost - either only remembered by a scant few immortal elves, distorted by legend or in crumbling ruins throughout the land.  The glory that was is gone - that's a major theme of the books.

    This is (assuming the established timeline hasn't been monkeyed with), 4-5000 years in the past.  Things are brand new or young enough to still be lived in.

    Personally I'm fine with "new content" if it fills in the gaps of the second age (which is, as pointed out above, only explored through a handful of stories) as long as they don't egregiously violate established lore.  I'm fine with Hobbits existing in the 2nd age because it's entirely possible that, like most of the Third age, no one of any  consequence knew of their existence or cared enough to write about them (it's certainly a better idea than just having them spring up out of nowhere at the beginning of the Third Age).
  • Clash City Farker: This is going to be an epic contest to see which one sucks more. Rings of Power or House of the Dragon?


    Bah gawd King, it's Rafe Judkin's out of nowhere with his Tire Fire of Time steel chair! He's snatched the belt and run with it!
  • Gonna take Amazons show on its own merits when released. It may suck, but whether PJ is invovled or not I dont think really matters.
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