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  • On plus side I will stop hearing about Firefly being a great show that was cancelled after one season. Everyone will now complain about Sandman.
  • Got dammit. I'm watching it slowly because I don't have much time to watch anything.
  • EvilEgg: Everyone will now complain about Sandman.


    I don't know.  I mean, sure, I could have taken another season, but not only was Season 1 a complete story, it was a semi-anthology and included a couple of end caps that were totally unrelated to the main plot.

    There aren't any compelling loose ends to worry about.
  • Netflix may have really kicked a beehive with this decision. Or at least lost a lot of viewer revenue at a time when the company really needs it. Sandman was watched by a LOT of Facebook friends who I never would have thought would be interested in the source material, and also friends of my wife who typically don't get into shows like this, etc.

    Sure, it wasn't as big as Stranger Things, but it was more talked about than any new show in a while. Especially the "A Dream of a Thousand Cats" episode and "Calliope". It's got a large interest base.

    Between Prime cancelling "The Tick", HBO being run by a total nimrod, Netflix cancelling "The Dark Crystal", and now this... I have solidified my hypothesis into a working theory that the current batch of entertainment CEOs out there are a bunch of idiots who lose companies a ton of money but protect their own asses.

    Anyway, the series spawned this fan comic,... so there's that at least.
  • Ramen Pride!: Netflix cancelling "The Dark Crystal"


    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that didn't hurt them.  At all.
  • Buddy, I promise you that I'm not letting the episodes "sink in" but waiting for my goodwill to replenish after each episode saps it with poorly allocated production value and the most painfully bad exposition this side of the Digital8 fanfilmoshpere.
  • BizarreMan: That seems illogical.


    In my experience, business decisions frequently are illogical.
  • I don't know. I'm a huge fan of the comic book, but I've only made it about four or five episodes in. It's fine, I guess. My non-fan spouse was bored to tears, and I can't say I blame them. They took 30 page comic books and stretched them (with one exception) to nearly an hour of television. Much of the concise (and poetic) language and imagery has been replaced with generic, expository television dialogue. For some reason much of the horror elements have been seriously toned down. After a while I started calling it Blandman.
  • Ramen Pride!: Between Prime cancelling "The Tick", HBO being run by a total nimrod, Netflix cancelling "The Dark Crystal", and now this... I have solidified my hypothesis into a working theory that the current batch of entertainment CEOs out there are a bunch of idiots who lose companies a ton of money but protect their own asses.


    Quite honestly, if Breaking Bad was released today it would have probably been cancelled after a few episodes.

    These CEOs want big hits right out of the gate.  Anything that takes time to build a strong following isn't of interest to them.
  • kryptoknightmare: I don't know. I'm a huge fan of the comic book, but I've only made it about four or five episodes in. It's fine, I guess. My non-fan spouse was bored to tears, and I can't say I blame them. They took 30 page comic books and stretched them (with one exception) to nearly an hour of television. Much of the concise (and poetic) language and imagery has been replaced with generic, expository television dialogue. For some reason much of the horror elements have been seriously toned down. After a while I started calling it Blandman.


    I will be honest, the delivery of Sandman's lines were very unappealing to me.  Dry, emotionless monotone, and I did fall asleep in several episodes.  But there were some good episodes and segments of others.  It just took a long way to get to where I cared about any of the characters.
  • kryptoknightmare: I don't know. I'm a huge fan of the comic book, but I've only made it about four or five episodes in. It's fine, I guess. My non-fan spouse was bored to tears, and I can't say I blame them. They took 30 page comic books and stretched them (with one exception) to nearly an hour of television. Much of the concise (and poetic) language and imagery has been replaced with generic, expository television dialogue. For some reason much of the horror elements have been seriously toned down. After a while I started calling it Blandman.


    For whatever it's worth, The Sandman kind of "clicked" for me with episode six. I only lasted that long because so many people I respect loved it. Until episode six I was kind of rooting against the main protagonist, which is rarely a good thing.
  • BizarreMan: Dry, emotionless monotone, and I did fall asleep in several episodes.


    I think the show was working for you
  • Unsung_Hero: Ramen Pride!: Netflix cancelling "The Dark Crystal"

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that didn't hurt them.  At all.


    Age of Resistance is great. The original movie may be boring shiat, but the series was great to look at and fun as hell.
  • And that's what happens when you agree to have Netflix finance your show: doesn't matter how much people like it, whether it will be renewed or not is basically a coin flip.
  • EvilEgg: On plus side I will stop hearing about Firefly being a great show that was cancelled after one season. Everyone will now complain about Sandman.



    Appropriate, because while it wasn't the worst thing on television.  Firefly was definitely the most over-rated thing on television.

    Likewise Sandman was the most over-rated thing in comics.

    Although Transmetropolitan comes a close second in the comics field whereas Firefly stands clearly ahead of the pack of other middling fare that was hailed as great by fans more deluded than Snyderverse advocates.
  • Unsung_Hero: EvilEgg: Everyone will now complain about Sandman.

    I don't know.  I mean, sure, I could have taken another season, but not only was Season 1 a complete story, it was a semi-anthology and included a couple of end caps that were totally unrelated to the main plot.

    There aren't any compelling loose ends to worry about.


    That's one of the disappointments about the show. In the comics, Dream doesn't really start growing as a character until Brief Lives. But since they didn't know if they'd get renewed or not, they basically completed his character arc 1/5 of the way through the series (if it had been fully done).
  • It was ...okay. No surprise that it was canned though. They could have really tightened it up, they had so much damn material to work with, but they ended up dragging shiat out when it wasn't necessary. It would have been cool if they broke the stories up into chunks of time just long enough to tell them. Stop being such a slave to a rigid one hour one episode format. It had some moments, but they majorly farked up casting. Looking at you lucifer. And goddamn Patton Oswald needs to disappear for about a decade already. His latest stand up special was farking weak, btw. Anyway, it had potential, but I think we all knew this was coming.
  • Manfred J. Hattan: kryptoknightmare: I don't know. I'm a huge fan of the comic book, but I've only made it about four or five episodes in. It's fine, I guess. My non-fan spouse was bored to tears, and I can't say I blame them. They took 30 page comic books and stretched them (with one exception) to nearly an hour of television. Much of the concise (and poetic) language and imagery has been replaced with generic, expository television dialogue. For some reason much of the horror elements have been seriously toned down. After a while I started calling it Blandman.

    For whatever it's worth, The Sandman kind of "clicked" for me with episode six. I only lasted that long because so many people I respect loved it. Until episode six I was kind of rooting against the main protagonist, which is rarely a good thing.


    It's a general problem with the comic as well. It started as a horror comic based in the DC universe, with characters like John Constantine and Matian Manhunter showing up. It didn't really start to find its "voice" until The Sound of Her Wings.
  • MinatoArisato013: Unsung_Hero: Ramen Pride!: Netflix cancelling "The Dark Crystal"

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say that didn't hurt them.  At all.

    Age of Resistance is great. The original movie may be boring shiat, but the series was great to look at and fun as hell.


    The original movie was basically a world-building exercise.
  • Greymalkin: EvilEgg: On plus side I will stop hearing about Firefly being a great show that was cancelled after one season. Everyone will now complain about Sandman.


    Appropriate, because while it wasn't the worst thing on television.  Firefly was definitely the most over-rated thing on television.

    Likewise Sandman was the most over-rated thing in comics.

    Although Transmetropolitan comes a close second in the comics field whereas Firefly stands clearly ahead of the pack of other middling fare that was hailed as great by fans more deluded than Snyderverse advocates.


    Cool, you've revealed yourself as someone whose opinion can be discounted out of hand.
  • Manfred J. Hattan: kryptoknightmare: I don't know. I'm a huge fan of the comic book, but I've only made it about four or five episodes in. It's fine, I guess. My non-fan spouse was bored to tears, and I can't say I blame them. They took 30 page comic books and stretched them (with one exception) to nearly an hour of television. Much of the concise (and poetic) language and imagery has been replaced with generic, expository television dialogue. For some reason much of the horror elements have been seriously toned down. After a while I started calling it Blandman.

    For whatever it's worth, The Sandman kind of "clicked" for me with episode six. I only lasted that long because so many people I respect loved it. Until episode six I was kind of rooting against the main protagonist, which is rarely a good thing.


    Man, the comic never clicked for me - I read the first two TPBs, and when I realized that I had no idea what was happening, what the narrative was supposed to be, what the point of the story was, who had what motivations... I gave up and sold them.

    Even though everyone was telling me "keep going, it really picks up after the Xth issue!" (everyone had a different opinion on that number, but that's like halfway through the run, just to get anything sensical to grab onto, story-wise. (I get it, Neil - you were a protogoth. Start by telling me an actual story next time, not spilling an ink bottle on a page and drawing Tool video doodles in the whitespace.)

    The fact that y'all nerds LOVE it (my wife included) makes me sad that they're not going to continue with what seems to be a well-done and beloved interpretation of a well-loved book. Netflix has a whole-ass graveyard of beloved stories they don't want to keep telling.

    Like a funhouse mirror Disney or something.

    // I have nothing against Gaiman personally - he seems a great fella - but I have not liked either of the works of his that I've started (through like 200 pages of American Gods, we have not-particularly-interesting people traveling ...somewhere, with ominous portents. Oooooooh, intrigue.)
  • So the algorithm is weighted for binge watching.  That explains a lot.
  • Glitchwerks: Ramen Pride!: Between Prime cancelling "The Tick", HBO being run by a total nimrod, Netflix cancelling "The Dark Crystal", and now this... I have solidified my hypothesis into a working theory that the current batch of entertainment CEOs out there are a bunch of idiots who lose companies a ton of money but protect their own asses.

    Quite honestly, if Breaking Bad was released today it would have probably been cancelled after a few episodes.

    These CEOs want big hits right out of the gate.  Anything that takes time to build a strong following isn't of interest to them.


    This is why I generally wait a season or 2 to start a show. If the producers and studio are more interested in me watching NOW than making something good enough I want to watch it, the show won't be any good just a bunch of mystery boxes trying to keep me watching ads.

    Cough) Westworld (cough)
  • Tyrone Slothrop: Greymalkin: EvilEgg: On plus side I will stop hearing about Firefly being a great show that was cancelled after one season. Everyone will now complain about Sandman.


    Appropriate, because while it wasn't the worst thing on television.  Firefly was definitely the most over-rated thing on television.

    Likewise Sandman was the most over-rated thing in comics.

    Although Transmetropolitan comes a close second in the comics field whereas Firefly stands clearly ahead of the pack of other middling fare that was hailed as great by fans more deluded than Snyderverse advocates.

    Cool, you've revealed yourself as someone whose opinion can be discounted out of hand.


    Transmet has it's moments but it is wildly overrated by HST fans. Spider roofying a random girl, making money off her unconsenting gang rape and ruining her life with the video while everyone shrugs it off put me off the whole series.

    What is it I'm supposed to celebrate about Transmetropolitan?
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