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I do have a question for anyone who knows more than I do, though: How do work visas and the fear of losing work play into this?
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sinko swimo: quit and work elsewhere. they don't own you.
Yeah, why should you try to change the way employers treat you, when you could just roll the dice and hope to find a job in the same industry that famously treats employees poorly.
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Abe Vigoda's Ghost: sinko swimo: quit and work elsewhere. they don't own you.
Yeah, why should you try to change the way employers treat you, when you could just roll the dice and hope to find a job in the same industry that famously treats employees poorly.
Well, that's when you form your own gaming company! With hookers and blackjack!
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Hell, when they tried that with us back at AWS, we just organized harder. What changed?
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DogParkSniper: The game industry folks love their jobs. I like mine, too, even if it's in a different industry. And they're getting screwed as hard as people in my racket are. Lots of people gonna be bailing from Blizzard, the minute some other company offers a marginally better deal.
Despite it's flaws, Marx had it exactly right when he argued that there's an inherent antagonism between the owning class and the working class. I also love my industry and being able to work in it, but I wish more people would realize the bosses have, and are always going to have, an enormous incentive to not act in our interests.
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krebshack: DogParkSniper: The game industry folks love their jobs. I like mine, too, even if it's in a different industry. And they're getting screwed as hard as people in my racket are. Lots of people gonna be bailing from Blizzard, the minute some other company offers a marginally better deal.
Despite it's flaws, Marx had it exactly right when he argued that there's an inherent antagonism between the owning class and the working class. I also love my industry and being able to work in it, but I wish more people would realize the bosses have, and are always going to have, an enormous incentive to not act in our interests.
Saying they're pro-worker is just a straight up lie. You know who is pro-worker? Businesses that encourage their employees to unionize.
In civilized countries, unions are a celebrated part of the economic fabric.
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Then they deserve to get it long and hard.
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Gyro the Greek Sandwich Pirate: krebshack: DogParkSniper: The game industry folks love their jobs. I like mine, too, even if it's in a different industry. And they're getting screwed as hard as people in my racket are. Lots of people gonna be bailing from Blizzard, the minute some other company offers a marginally better deal.
Despite it's flaws, Marx had it exactly right when he argued that there's an inherent antagonism between the owning class and the working class. I also love my industry and being able to work in it, but I wish more people would realize the bosses have, and are always going to have, an enormous incentive to not act in our interests.
Saying they're pro-worker is just a straight up lie. You know who is pro-worker? Businesses that encourage their employees to unionize.
In civilized countries, unions are a celebrated part of the economic fabric.
For sure, but it helps that workers in places like France start rioting the second someone threatens to take their protections go away.
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sinko swimo: quit and work elsewhere. they don't own you.
The same employers when everyone leaves: "No OnE wAnTs To WoRk AnYmOrE!"
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Kuroshin: It's not even that employees were against unionizing, it's that they got sad and gave up?
They got intimidated and gave up (for now).
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Fart And Smunny: Kuroshin: It's not even that employees were against unionizing, it's that they got sad and gave up?
They got intimidated and gave up (for now).
Knowing the way many businesses work as far as trying to make sure unions don't get a foothold, it was probably a mixture of threats of termination of employment and also threats of being blackballed from the field.
Those are two pretty big reasons why people can be talked out of unionizing, and businesses use it regularly.
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AurizenDarkstar: Fart And Smunny: Kuroshin: It's not even that employees were against unionizing, it's that they got sad and gave up?
They got intimidated and gave up (for now).
Knowing the way many businesses work as far as trying to make sure unions don't get a foothold, it was probably a mixture of threats of termination of employment and also threats of being blackballed from the field.
Those are two pretty big reasons why people can be talked out of unionizing, and businesses use it regularly.
Yeah - I was just uncomfortable with the phrasing of 'they got sad.' - It isn't sadness. It's fear.
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