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If you farm fish terrestrially, you get a huge mess. It doesn't scale well to meet demand. You end up with run off.
Aquaculture is promising, but the infrastructure to do it safely at the scale of global demand is insane. It has huge local impacts ecologically.
Beans and rice kids. Until we get industrial vat-meat and related products, there is no ecologically sustainable way to produce meat to meet demand. It's simply math and chemistry with a side helping of physics.
For the moral ethicist, Fish is still meat, even if when you beat it, it dies.
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yohohogreengiant: Environmentally, the oceans are overtaxed. Corals are dying which affects the base of the aquatic food chain profoundly. Etc etc. Pulling fish out of the water at commercial scales is eating our future to live on this planet. And it's spendy.
If you farm fish terrestrially, you get a huge mess. It doesn't scale well to meet demand. You end up with run off.
Aquaculture is promising, but the infrastructure to do it safely at the scale of global demand is insane. It has huge local impacts ecologically.
Beans and rice kids. Until we get industrial vat-meat and related products, there is no ecologically sustainable way to produce meat to meet demand. It's simply math and chemistry with a side helping of physics.
For the moral ethicist, Fish is still meat, even if when you beat it, it dies.
I live one town over from one of the biggest commercial fishing centers in New England, and this. I know people who are working on it, but it's a huge task.
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FriarReb98: yohohogreengiant: Environmentally, the oceans are overtaxed. Corals are dying which affects the base of the aquatic food chain profoundly. Etc etc. Pulling fish out of the water at commercial scales is eating our future to live on this planet. And it's spendy.
If you farm fish terrestrially, you get a huge mess. It doesn't scale well to meet demand. You end up with run off.
Aquaculture is promising, but the infrastructure to do it safely at the scale of global demand is insane. It has huge local impacts ecologically.
Beans and rice kids. Until we get industrial vat-meat and related products, there is no ecologically sustainable way to produce meat to meet demand. It's simply math and chemistry with a side helping of physics.
For the moral ethicist, Fish is still meat, even if when you beat it, it dies.
I live one town over from one of the biggest commercial fishing centers in New England, and this. I know people who are working on it, but it's a huge task.
Are they doing terrestrial farming? On small scales ashore you can set up ponds with organic filtration and sequestration with lilies, snails, algae, etc., But at scale is takes a lot of real estate and you have to stay within variable ranges or it just falls on its face and you have an even bigger mess.
Often they just dump the waste or call it fertilizer (with salmonella).
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They are systematically harvesting the world's oceans, and they don't give a flying fark about the environmental damage, much less the "ethics".
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Private_Citizen: They are systematically harvesting the world's
oceansresources, and they don't give a flying fark about the environmental damage, much less the "ethics".Expanded that for you. They will be the death of the world.
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make me some tea: Also plastic bags at the grocery are a lower carbon footprint than paper bags.
Yeah, that's not why people recommend using paper over plastic.
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Some escaped during floods and now threaten water habitats all along the Mississippi River and connecting waters, even as far north as Chicago and the Great lakes.
Trying to solve one problem can lead to creating an even more devestating problem.
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Rene ala Carte: Asian carp were brought in to southern fish farms (usually catfish) to help clean up the mess caused by these farms. The carp are bottom feeders and very prolific.
Some escaped during floods and now threaten water habitats all along the Mississippi River and connecting waters, even as far north as Chicago and the Great lakes.
Trying to solve one problem can lead to creating an even more devestating problem.
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That wouldn't be as much of a problem if local people would eat those invasive fish. If fish continues to increase in price, folks will stop complaining about bones.
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yohohogreengiant: Beans and rice kids. Until we get industrial vat-meat and related products, there is no ecologically sustainable way to produce meat to meet demand. It's simply math and chemistry with a side helping of physics.
There is not enough arable land on the planet to feed the planet a veggie diet.
A large percent of the land used for meat production world-wide is not suitable for vegetation farming.
Those are facts that the 'save the world, ignore meat' morons always gloss over.
Want to starve? Eliminate meat.
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The researchers tested tomato plants and tobacco plants by depriving them of water and by cutting their stems and then recording their response with a microphone placed ten centimeters away.
In both cases, they found the plants began to emit ultrasonic sounds between 20 and 100 kilohertz, which they believed could convey their distress to other plants and organisms in the immediate vicinity.
Vegans are responsible for the torture of plants. Think about that next time your munching on your veggies.
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Decorus: Scientists have also determined plants are sentient and feel pain.
The researchers tested tomato plants and tobacco plants by depriving them of water and by cutting their stems and then recording their response with a microphone placed ten centimeters away.
In both cases, they found the plants began to emit ultrasonic sounds between 20 and 100 kilohertz, which they believed could convey their distress to other plants and organisms in the immediate vicinity.
Vegans are responsible for the torture of plants. Think about that next time your munching on your veggies.
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zgrizz: yohohogreengiant: Beans and rice kids. Until we get industrial vat-meat and related products, there is no ecologically sustainable way to produce meat to meet demand. It's simply math and chemistry with a side helping of physics.
There is not enough arable land on the planet to feed the planet a veggie diet.
A large percent of the land used for meat production world-wide is not suitable for vegetation farming.
Those are facts that the 'save the world, ignore meat' morons always gloss over.
Want to starve? Eliminate meat.
I mean, that can't possibly be true, right? If you took all the land used to grow crops for livestock and used it for human food, there would be enough food, don't you think? I mean I get that a veggie-only diet would not be right for everyone, but in reality it makes sense to not eat, and especially not waste, so much meat.
https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets
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MrBallou: We're polluting and breaking marine food chains so wantonly that's it's a matter of a very short time before the oceans are dead.
On top of global warming raising ocean temps. Coral reefs are dying/blanched and it will only work its way up the chain from there.
"Soylent Green" was set in 2022, based on the oceans' algae dying of heat and removing the last source of human food. For a 50-yr-old dystopian film, not bad with the forecast. We're certainly not in Blade Runner times.
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Joxertheflighty: If you took all the land used to grow crops for livestock and used it for human food, there would be enough food, don't you think? I
A huge portion of the water use in Arid-zona is to grow alfalfa for livestock feed. Not just land use under consideration. People in Arid-zona will soon be drinking their own pee.
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zgrizz: yohohogreengiant: Beans and rice kids. Until we get industrial vat-meat and related products, there is no ecologically sustainable way to produce meat to meet demand. It's simply math and chemistry with a side helping of physics.
There is not enough arable land on the planet to feed the planet a veggie diet.
A large percent of the land used for meat production world-wide is not suitable for vegetation farming.
Those are facts that the 'save the world, ignore meat' morons always gloss over.
Want to starve? Eliminate meat.
This is so demonstrably false as to be comical.
If it weren't so pathetic
Trophic levels. How do they work?
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Joxertheflighty: zgrizz: yohohogreengiant: Beans and rice kids. Until we get industrial vat-meat and related products, there is no ecologically sustainable way to produce meat to meet demand. It's simply math and chemistry with a side helping of physics.
There is not enough arable land on the planet to feed the planet a veggie diet.
A large percent of the land used for meat production world-wide is not suitable for vegetation farming.
Those are facts that the 'save the world, ignore meat' morons always gloss over.
Want to starve? Eliminate meat.
I mean, that can't possibly be true, right? If you took all the land used to grow crops for livestock and used it for human food, there would be enough food, don't you think? I mean I get that a veggie-only diet would not be right for everyone, but in reality it makes sense to not eat, and especially not waste, so much meat.
https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets
He's insane. Or big beef has entered the chat.
Trophic levels: it takes an order of magnitude of resources to climb a level on the food chain. Ten pounds of grain makes one pound of you. 100 pounds of grain makes 10 pounds of cow which makes 1 (very constipated) pound of you.
What he's saying about food chain is like a flat earth proponent
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zgrizz: yohohogreengiant: Beans and rice kids. Until we get industrial vat-meat and related products, there is no ecologically sustainable way to produce meat to meet demand. It's simply math and chemistry with a side helping of physics.
There is not enough arable land on the planet to feed the planet a veggie diet.
A large percent of the land used for meat production world-wide is not suitable for vegetation farming.
Those are facts that the 'save the world, ignore meat' morons always gloss over.
Want to starve? Eliminate meat.
Madness. You're fractally wrong
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syrynxx: Joxertheflighty: If you took all the land used to grow crops for livestock and used it for human food, there would be enough food, don't you think? I
A huge portion of the water use in Arid-zona is to grow alfalfa for livestock feed. Not just land use under consideration. People in Arid-zona will soon be drinking their own pee.
Yeah don't grow cross in a dessert.
Don't grow meat in a dessert it's literally 10x more use of resources
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zgrizz: yohohogreengiant: Beans and rice kids. Until we get industrial vat-meat and related products, there is no ecologically sustainable way to produce meat to meet demand. It's simply math and chemistry with a side helping of physics.
There is not enough arable land on the planet to feed the planet a veggie diet.
A large percent of the land used for meat production world-wide is not suitable for vegetation farming.
Those are facts that the 'save the world, ignore meat' morons always gloss over.
Want to starve? Eliminate meat.
Goat meat is actually pretty tasty.
And that's the sort of meat that thrives on non-arable land.
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Private_Citizen: Meanwhile, in China:
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They are systematically harvesting the world's oceans, and they don't give a flying fark about the environmental damage, much less the "ethics".
So... What's your point?
If they do it it's okay?
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Decorus: Scientists have also determined plants are sentient and feel pain.
The researchers tested tomato plants and tobacco plants by depriving them of water and by cutting their stems and then recording their response with a microphone placed ten centimeters away.
In both cases, they found the plants began to emit ultrasonic sounds between 20 and 100 kilohertz, which they believed could convey their distress to other plants and organisms in the immediate vicinity.
Vegans are responsible for the torture of plants. Think about that next time your munching on your veggies.
And just think, a pound of meat requires 10x as much feed, pain, and suffering than if you just ate the damn plant yourself
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yohohogreengiant: zgrizz: yohohogreengiant: Beans and rice kids. Until we get industrial vat-meat and related products, there is no ecologically sustainable way to produce meat to meet demand. It's simply math and chemistry with a side helping of physics.
There is not enough arable land on the planet to feed the planet a veggie diet.
A large percent of the land used for meat production world-wide is not suitable for vegetation farming.
Those are facts that the 'save the world, ignore meat' morons always gloss over.
Want to starve? Eliminate meat.
Madness. You're fractally wrong
About everything if you've ever seen him post
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