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Why? We need them. We need atheists too. And everything in between.
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What he said.
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Now that's an attitude I can get behind. It's not evangelicals that are the problem anyway, it's greedy sons of biatches who happen to be (or pretend to be more to the point) evangelicals. It's easy to blame religion for things but it's people who are the problem.
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Thank you, Evangelicals!
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For an alternative fuel source, perhaps.
/I keed!
Why? Are the zoos out of lion food?
//I keed!
Yeah, because if stem cells take off, how will we keep cripples in their place?
///I keeeed!
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LOLVERRULED
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Oh,no we don't.
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Yes. To "American Wanker".
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At some point you've got to lay some blame on the ideology. Was it the people who failed Naziism? [obvious example but it holds up] At some point you have to scrutinize their actual teachings and recognize how such teachings might influence the decisions of someone who sincerely believed in them. Beliefs, after all, do not exist in a vacuum; they actively inform our decisions.
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So, either get rid of all religions or quit your biatching.
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I don't follow your thinking here. I for one wouldn't erase all religion from the world even if I could; Pick a religion at random. Even stripped of the music, the paintings, the sculptures and all the other resulting artwork inspired by that religion, the practice of the religion itself is still a form of art that we would be culturally poorer for having lost.
I see secular governance as the best of both worlds. All religions (as well as irreligiosity) are preserved and prevented from killing one another, and (ideally) their hand is slapped away every time they try to stick their fingers in medical research, social/sexual rights, the education of children too young to belong to any religion, and of course what gets taught in science classrooms.
It is my sincere hope that religious practice one day becomes a form of theater; that those with an interest in the history and culture of any given religion can attend a scrupulously accurate reenactment of any religious ceremony from just about any time period. This applies only to "Dead" religions of course. These centers could be used during part of the week for services held by contemporary religions, and if they're willing, they might allow people to come observe their services as well.
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So, either get rid of all religions or quit your biatching.
All I know is that the Scientologists scare me. bible thumpers? not so much.
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All I know is that the Scientologists scare me. bible thumpers? not so much.
They don't scare me...lol. If it bleeds, it can be killed...lol
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Said it better than I could have. Evangelical Christianity has a corrosive effect on the intelligence of society. Its emphasis on faith over evidence and tradition over progression will mire the US in dark ages similar to those in countries like Afghanistan where religious dogma is the law. Preventing these people from contaminating future generations should be the utmost imperative of anyone who wishes to see society progress beyond the childish state it's in now where an ad containing a half covered breast is grounds for arrest and where believing in something that has no evidence for existence is considered important in choosing the next leader of the country.
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Honest question, don't you believe in the judeo-christian god? If I'm mistaken don't hesitate to let me know. I ask because if so, you might be "less scared" of bible thumpers mainly because you share ideological ground with them. Anyone paying attention right now can see that there's a concerted evangelical effort to stick their fingers into politics, education, medicine and so forth. Most worrying is their attempt to erode the separation between church and state, the gradually shift America towards a theocracy.
You've doubtless seen Huckabee's speech where he openly comes out and declares such an intention, so I'll spare you the link.
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All I know is that the Scientologists scare me. bible thumpers? not so much.
They don't scare me...lol. If it bleeds, it can be killed...lol
They're a horde of mindless zombies with effective legal representation and no concept of morality. That's some scary stuff right there.
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All I know is that the Scientologists scare me. bible thumpers? not so much.
They don't scare me...lol. If it bleeds, it can be killed...lol
They're a horde of mindless zombies with effective legal representation and no concept of morality. That's some scary stuff right there.
We have ways of taking care of "zombies".
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My personal religious beliefs are just that - personal. And not worth discussion on fark. That aside, just because someone might share ideological points with another philosophy doesn't automatically mean that you're in agreement with everyone else who shares those beliefs. Groupthink like that is a common weakness of the intellectually lazy. So i'd be careful of that trap when discussing religion if I were you.
Anyone paying attention right now can see that there's a concerted evangelical effort to stick their fingers into politics, education, medicine and so forth. Most worrying is their attempt to erode the separation between church and state, the gradually shift America towards a theocracy.
True enough. And you're only slightly exaggerating the danger. I think 'Jesus camp' was a good example of why some Christian sects should be cause for concern. But then again, we're also in danger of selling out our freedom to corporate interests as well religious cults. Which is the greater danger?
You've doubtless seen Huckabee's speech where he openly comes out and declares such an intention, so I'll spare you the link.
The huck is effectively out of the race tho, so that's something of a dead issue.
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So, either get rid of all religions or quit your biatching.
People have a choice in the West because there are still enough people organized to fight against the indoctrination of Christianity.
Creationism taught in public schools, Bills declaring the US a "Christian Nation", the Ten Commandments displayed in inappropriate public forums, school prayer, Marriage Amendments, legislated 'morality' out the wazoo, et cetera ad nauseam. Don't think for an instant that Evangenlical institutions aren't working every day to take away that choice.
The Middle East has had thousands of years to indoctrinate their populations. Evangelicals have a lot of catching up to do, and they know it.
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As opposed to a horde of mindless zombies with ineffective legal representation and a warped concept of ethics?
GaryPDX: "They don't scare me...lol. If it bleeds, it can be killed...lol" ~ "We have ways of taking care of "zombies"."
I know you're joking but that sort of speech is worrisome. These people aren't going to vanish. One way or another we need to learn to live with them while mitigating their damaging behaviors. If there's some way to give them what they want without compromising scientific standard, retarding medical research, oppressing homosexuals and plunging America into theocracy, I say give it to them. I don't know if you hate them or not but I don't, I simply want them to stop farking around with government, education, science and sexual ethics when they're clearly having deleterious effects on all of these things by doing so.
It should be enough for them to pray in secret, as Jesus asked of them. It should be enough for them to be comforted by the sublime assurances of their religion, without having to seek not only recognization by the state but preferential treatment at the expense of other groups. Huckabee went on record saying that asking Christians to stop injecting Christianity into politics was insulting and that he refused to comply. But isn't that the whole idea of a secular government, that politicians are to leave their creeds at the door when they show up for work each morning? ISn't that precisely how a secular government succeeds at remaining neutral in matters of religion? It seems like this isn't good enough for evangelicals. They want recognition, they want preferential treatment; they want earthly authorities to confirm the primacy of their faith over others, and all that this entails.
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I don't see the Church funding groups like 'Sea Org' and running opposition research against prominent opponents.
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