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  • Smeggy Smurf: I'll have to get one then. Hops are meant to be an accent, not a sledgehammer


    The beers in this article are very fruity/sour. If that's to your taste, cool, otherwise you may be pouring them down the drain.

    Try some Belgian white beers or wheat beers. A hefeweizen is a GREAT summer beer style. Really great aroma like banana and cloves, drinks light and refreshing but with a lot of taste, no in-your-face bitterness. Belgian whites are pretty much defined by Hoegaarden, which is available everywhere. Lots of craft breweries make them, too. They often have some coriander and orange peel in the brew. Again, a nice summer beer.
  • Lexx: That's true lambic fermentation atleast.


    I'm a brewer, I understand how traditional Lambics are made. In Lambic brewing regions, the "wild" yeast is the dominant culture in the area, and as long as conditions are clean, there is enough of it in the air to allow a colony to quickly develop in the wort before any sort of "contaminant" has chance to take hold.
  • Repo Man: I think the number of people who would acquire the taste for a beverage like beer if there wasn't alcohol involved would be vanishingly small. Same with coffee.


    Just as a follow-up to this, root beer and ginger ale are both beverages loads of people drink. Both have their roots as alcoholic beverages. (You can still get alcoholic versions of both.) Even though both have migrated towards being non-alcoholic (and some kinds of ginger beer are virtually indistinguishable from non-alcoholic ginger ales), people still love them. Hell, all people KNOW is the non-alcoholic versions.

    The fizzy yellow lagers and pilsners most people know as "beer," no, I agree that a lot of folks wouldn't drink them if it wasn't for the booze. But man, beer is a WIDE world with far ranging flavors that are all over the map. It's no stretch to say lots of people love it for the taste,
  • Repo Man: I think the number of people who would acquire the taste for a beverage like beer if there wasn't alcohol involved would be vanishingly small. Same with coffee.


    Perhaps. I started drinking beer as a kid to get drunk. I only drink beer today for the flavor. A little buzz is pleasant, and I think it improves the experience to a degree, but that's certainly not my motivation for drinking beer. Tasty beer is tasty.
  • shoegaze99: Smeggy Smurf: I'll have to get one then. Hops are meant to be an accent, not a sledgehammer

    The beers in this article are very fruity/sour. If that's to your taste, cool, otherwise you may be pouring them down the drain.

    Try some Belgian white beers or wheat beers. A hefeweizen is a GREAT summer beer style. Really great aroma like banana and cloves, drinks light and refreshing but with a lot of taste, no in-your-face bitterness. Belgian whites are pretty much defined by Hoegaarden, which is available everywhere. Lots of craft breweries make them, too. They often have some coriander and orange peel in the brew. Again, a nice summer beer.


    I couldn't agree more. Once I started trying these types of beers, I finally got why people loved beer. I'd recommend for anyone to try Lost Coast Tangerine Wheat (if you like citrus flavors). If you like the more clove/cinnamon flavor: Paulaner Hefeweizen, Franz-eschoner Hefeweizen (I totally butchered that name), Weinstephaner Hefeweizen, Aryinger Hefeweizen, etc. If you like banana and are in the Seattle area, nothing beats the Redhook Wit. They sell it on tap at their brewery in Woodinville and it is some of the most drinkable beer I've ever had in my life. They bottle it in the summer, but it is not very good from the bottle unfortunately :(.
  • shoegaze99: Really great aroma like banana and cloves,


    Call me crazy, but I never was a fan of the beers that aren't beer flavored. I also am not a fan of fruits in my meat either. If I want a banana or apple, I will eat a banana or apple. When I want a beer or chicken, leave the fruit out of it.

    Nothing wrong with it if people like it, it's just not me.
  • Purity Of Essence: Repo Man: I think the number of people who would acquire the taste for a beverage like beer if there wasn't alcohol involved would be vanishingly small. Same with coffee.

    Perhaps. I started drinking beer as a kid to get drunk. I only drink beer today for the flavor. A little buzz is pleasant, and I think it improves the experience to a degree, but that's certainly not my motivation for drinking beer. Tasty beer is tasty.


    That doesn't disprove my point. Most people (probably almost all) begin drinking coffee for the caffeine buzz. Most people load the coffee up with sugar and cream to make it palatable. As time goes on, they learn to enjoy the taste of the coffee itself, cut down on the cream and sugar, maybe even prefer it black. They might even continue drinking decaffeinated coffee if they develop health issues with caffeine. Without the drug incentive initially, this process wouldn't have begun.
  • KidneyStone: How strange - my girlfriend just told me about this beer not 15 minutes ago. She's on a short layover in ATL on her way back from Belgium.

    She said it tastes like puke


    "Laurie got offended that I used the word "puke." But to me, that's what her dinner tasted like." - Jack Handey
  • Repo Man: That doesn't disprove my point.


    I didn't realize that was the goal. Also, this. (new window).
  • bilk2455: 5 for $8 at Hooters in Tampa, Miller High Lite but who cares


    Strangely enough, ask the old-timers about the High life beer here and they'll tell you it was the nectar of the gods.

    /The brewery was nice enough that they gave away beer in Saturdays to the neighbors and workers
    //Also, because they lived near the brewery, the owners had a series of pipelines connected to the brewery, so they had beer on tap 24/7
  • shoegaze99: See, and I'd love for there to be non-alcoholic/low alcohol versions of my favorite beers. Then I could drink more of them without getting trashed. I love the taste of a great beer. A Founder's Breakfast Stout really would be a great breakfast beverage if it wasn't for the booze.


    You are either really stupid or full of shiat.
  • Speaking of coffee and beer...
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    Has anyone ever actually made something like this?
  • I Like Shiny Things: shoegaze99: See, and I'd love for there to be non-alcoholic/low alcohol versions of my favorite beers. Then I could drink more of them without getting trashed. I love the taste of a great beer. A Founder's Breakfast Stout really would be a great breakfast beverage if it wasn't for the booze.

    You are either really stupid or full of shiat.


    Seems kinda harsh. Tastebuds are very malleable, and can be made to do strange things. Ask a coprophiliac.
  • Sorry no thanks.

    /tucking into a Duchesse de Bourgogne as we speak
  • Benjimin_Dover: shoegaze99: Really great aroma like banana and cloves,

    Call me crazy, but I never was a fan of the beers that aren't beer flavored.


    Don't read it too literally. It doesn't smell like a big cup of banana, and there is no actual banana to be found in beers of this style. Hefes aren't a fruit beer (though you can add fruit to them), they just develop an interesting aroma thanks to yeast and temperatures typically used to make them. You can hate fruit beer and still love a hefe. It's that they tend away from the bitter taste some people dislike, instead tasting tasting of all sorts of great summery things. Despite this, it's still very much beer and tastes like it.
  • Repo Man: Has anyone ever actually made something like this?


    Coffee beer is very common. I've made some myself. Even commercially it's really popular in craft beer. The breakfast stout I mentioned earlier is made with coffee. There are LOADS of them out there brewed with real coffee or espresso or cappuccino, usually stouts and porters, which naturally have coffee-like aromas thanks to the roasty malts used to make them. Adding the real stuff enhances that flavor. The good ones are pretty farking good. Unless it's a truly awful liquor store, I guarantee your local shop has at least one or two.

    I'd recommend some, but I'd need to know (roughly) what part of the country you live in. Craft beer is still very regional.
  • Repo Man: Seems kinda harsh. Tastebuds are very malleable, and can be made to do strange things. Ask a coprophiliac.


    Come on now. I understand you're speaking from ignorance (and I don't say that in a nasty way, I say it in the literal way; nothing wrong with not knowing about something), but ti compare it to eating scat? I won't dignify the other idiot, but as an example, the specific beer I mentioned is full of chocolate and coffee and oatmeal flavor. It's practically dessert. I've poured that shiat on ice cream. It's still beer and there is no mistaking it for something else, but it's rich and delicious like a freakin' chocolate oatmeal beer pie. What's nuts about saying you'd drink something that delicious even if it had no alcohol?
  • shoegaze99: Repo Man: Seems kinda harsh. Tastebuds are very malleable, and can be made to do strange things. Ask a coprophiliac.

    Come on now. I understand you're speaking from ignorance (and I don't say that in a nasty way, I say it in the literal way; nothing wrong with not knowing about something), but ti compare it to eating scat? I won't dignify the other idiot, but as an example, the specific beer I mentioned is full of chocolate and coffee and oatmeal flavor. It's practically dessert. I've poured that shiat on ice cream. It's still beer and there is no mistaking it for something else, but it's rich and delicious like a freakin' chocolate oatmeal beer pie. What's nuts about saying you'd drink something that delicious even if it had no alcohol?


    I was just using coprophiliac (and it should have been coprophagiac) to make an extreme example. But some of the things we grow to enjoy as adults seem nearly that extreme to children. When I was small, I thought my grandmother had left a deliciously cool looking glass of apple juice on the table, and I took a drink. It was bourbon and water, and it was unbelievably nasty. No doubt my grandmother thought it tasted quite nice (especially since she was an alcoholic). There really is no right or wrong when it comes to taste (check out pregnant women and picas), thus the saying that there is no accounting for it.
  • Repo Man: I was just using coprophiliac (and it should have been coprophagiac) to make an extreme example. But some of the things we grow to enjoy as adults seem nearly that extreme to children


    I get that. As I mentioned earlier, our palates change over time. Sometimes it's a matter of becoming acclimated to something (and I won't deny that - though I'd also point out again that it applies to a SLEW of stuff), sometimes it's just how we change (like my unexpected love for asparagus, which used to be a hated veggie). I'm just saying that anyone who knows how broad the beer spectrum is knows comparisons to wino aunts and beer-fueled preachers and so on are crap. I know more than a handful of beer haters who, when introduced to the right brew, were blown away and couldn't believe it was beer.

    And that's because despite what most people think, beer isn't by default fizzy yellow piss.
  • Repo Man: "With a hint of horse blanket." Horse blanket? I realize this is specialized jargon, and may have an actual meaning to others in their field, but they ought to recognize that to outsiders it sounds as though they are pulling pretentious crap out of their ass.


    That's because they are pulling pretentious crap out of their ass. In an attempt to make beer appealing to know-nothing snobs, they're aping pretentious wine people - and it sounds even more silly applied to beer. Either that, or they really are know-nothing snobs themselves.
  • shoegaze99: Benjimin_Dover: shoegaze99: Really great aroma like banana and cloves,

    Call me crazy, but I never was a fan of the beers that aren't beer flavored.

    Don't read it too literally. It doesn't smell like a big cup of banana, and there is no actual banana to be found in beers of this style. Hefes aren't a fruit beer (though you can add fruit to them), they just develop an interesting aroma thanks to yeast and temperatures typically used to make them. You can hate fruit beer and still love a hefe. It's that they tend away from the bitter taste some people dislike, instead tasting tasting of all sorts of great summery things. Despite this, it's still very much beer and tastes like it.


    I'll have to give a test fire to one. Sounds interesting.
  • One of the Stooges was an avid drinker. He wrote about it to several friends. The letters are, of course, collected in The Curly Howard Lambic correspondence.
  • Taking the "horse blanket" description literally is intentionally disingenuous.

    Here are a few flavor components to consider: a beef steak is "coppery", mushrooms are "musty" or asparagus is "suphurous". Most people would be put off, but other people would know that a flavor component is only that: merely a component. I'll let "most people" focus on the one facet and denigrate the entire package; it's their loss and my gain.

    Taste being subjective, the Belgians and Flemish are the acclaimed artists of the beer world, with their superior ales, lambics and gueuzes knocking most lagers aside (some doppelbachs can be nearly as good). If I could drink sours or gueuzes like Rodenbach Grand Cru or Lindemans Cuvee Rene (the tastiest 5% beer I've ever had) every day without fear of liver damage or chronic unemployment, I would be a happy guy.

    /Negra Modelo is a fine mass-market lager; in my basement is a 12-pack missing a few soldiers
    //miss my 1990's-era bottlings of George Gale's Prize Old Ale, aged in calvados casks thousands of miles from me...damn you, Fuller's!
    ///yet the only wines I like are cheap-ass burgundies, the earthier the better (go figure)
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