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  • I suspect that she will end up winning, and getting a settlement. "Porn is icky and the kids may find photos and videos of you" is not a reason to fire someone. If she had filmed on school property, or actively promoted her work to the kids, that would be one thing...but she didn't.

    Does anyone know if the school district, or union agreements have any morality clauses that she violated?

    Also, she filmed this stuff before she became a teacher. I think that this will set an interesting legal precedent as time goes on because of the prevalence of smart phones, web cams, stupid girls, and self shot nude photos ending up online, something is going to give. If legal protections or legal precedents are not set, it would not surprise me if a single nude image shot when you were a dumb teen that ended up on the internet somehow prevented you from getting a job as a teacher as time goes on.

    For some reason, in this country we hold teachers to crazy moral standards. Strange times we live in...strange times...
  • Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.
  • Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.


    so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.
  • Her porn name is Tiffany Six and that about sums it up.
    /mehsortofwant.jpg
  • Weaver95: so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.


    It's all due to the whole "black or white, never gray" mentality of people out there. People want things to be one or the other, they get confused with maybes and half-truths. It's also why political parties are getting so damned extreme.
  • Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

    so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.


    I wasn't debating a bad choice, the law probably isn't in her favor.  I was speaking as someone that worked under those rules.  Yes, one mistake can ruin your career.  Or in her case several according to the article.  
     
    BTW my science teacher didn't look like that.
  • FriarReb98: Weaver95: so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

    It's all due to the whole "black or white, never gray" mentality of people out there. People want things to be one or the other, they get confused with maybes and half-truths. It's also why political parties are getting so damned extreme.


    It isn't a grey area.  She got a Lic. and a contract with requirements, lied when asked about her past, then got removed for cause.  The fact that she is having a hearing means the system works.
  • Fear_and_Loathing: FriarReb98: Weaver95: so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.

    It's all due to the whole "black or white, never gray" mentality of people out there. People want things to be one or the other, they get confused with maybes and half-truths. It's also why political parties are getting so damned extreme.

    It isn't a grey area.  She got a Lic. and a contract with requirements, lied when asked about her past, then got removed for cause.  The fact that she is having a hearing means the system works.


    Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

    slapping a band aide on it and saying 'oh hey well it's all proper and legal' ignores the fact that this woman is being punished for what she did in her past. I don't care if you have a process and follow your checklist...its a rigged game set up to punish people over actions. if you want to hold people to high moral standards that's fine...but don't keep punishing people for past sins. admit that the possibility exists for change and growth and learn to forgive people when they f*ck up and admit it.
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    What a 'teachable moment' might look like.
  • Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.


    I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.
  • Weaver95: if you want to hold people to high moral standards that's fine...but don't keep punishing people for past sins. admit that the possibility exists for change and growth and learn to forgive people when they f*ck up and admit it.


    Here is their mentality - "It is Jesus' job to forgive, not mine/society's! You had sex with multiple partners, you were unwed at the time, you had sex in positions other than the missionary position in the dark, the idea of multiple partners is icky to me, ergo you cannot teach my children. Especially my pubescent boys."
  • OregonVet: Her porn name is Tiffany Six and that about sums it up.
    /mehsortofwant.jpg


    She's really, uh, not attractive. Even by porn standards.
  • Lsherm: OregonVet: Her porn name is Tiffany Six and that about sums it up.
    /mehsortofwant.jpg

    She's really, uh, not attractive. Even by porn standards.


    Neither was my science teacher.
  • Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

    I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.


    so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job? if i'm say...23-ish. I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing when i'm in my 30's...i'm bouncing around, I go out one night and suddenly...a wild orgy breaks out! naked chicks everywhere, camera phones are hanging out all over the place...and wouldn't ya know it, I get laid several times that night. Fast forward a decade. i'm now 33-ish and i've given up my party lifestyle. I got married, kid on the way and I want to move up in the world and live a quiet suburban lifestyle. But I can't do that now, can I? because something I did when I was drunk/horny and 23 showed up when someone did a background check on me. So no cushy job for me, no promotions...i'm stuck in a lower paying job and forever barred from 'respectable' employment. I violated a morality clause for a job that I had NO IDEA i'd ever apply for when I was 23-ish. No options, no recourse...its just how it goes.

    so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?
  • Fear_and_Loathing: Lsherm: OregonVet: Her porn name is Tiffany Six and that about sums it up.
    /mehsortofwant.jpg

    She's really, uh, not attractive. Even by porn standards.

    Neither was my science teacher.


    I was replying to his "mehsortofwant." Was your science teacher in porn, too?
  • Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

    I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.

    so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job? if i'm say...23-ish. I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing when i'm in my 30's...i'm bouncing around, I go out one night and suddenly...a wild orgy breaks out! naked chicks everywhere, camera phones are hanging out all over the place...and wouldn't ya know it, I get laid several times that night. Fast forward a decade. i'm now 33-ish and i've given up my party lifestyle. I got married, kid on the way and I want to move up in the world and live a quiet suburban lifestyle. But I can't do that now, can I? because something I did when I was drunk/horny and 23 showed up when someone did a background check on me. So no cushy job for me, no promotions...i'm stuck in a lower paying job and forever barred from 'respectable' employment. I violated a morality clause for a job that I had NO IDEA i'd ever apply for when I was 23-ish. No options, no recourse...its just how it goes.

    so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?


    Somewhere on the internet there must be a video of Weaver95 ass-farking a goat...
  • Weaver95: you are saying that you have to follow the standards

     
    Yes.  Pure and simple.  I don't agree with the rules, but she lied.  I don't condone what has happened, but she broke the rules and lied. Lying on a application is fireable. She gets her day.  I think if she is good, she should get her job, while all the male students watch her film career. And giggle.
     
    BTW she then accepted a job and lied. So accepted the terms.

     
  • She seems to have had quite a prolific porn career-more than a singe lapse of judgment. Hey, at least she can get a job doing porn.
  • I know more than one porn actress personally. One or two actors, too.

    It's not as rare as you think. Shouldn't be admissable like this. It's just a job. Many people leave jobs off their resume. It's not like she was making porn with her students. I leave McDonald's off my resume. She ought to have a right to leave porn off hers.

    Also pay teachers (read: me) a living wage and we wouldn't have to take second, third, and often fourth or fifth side jobs to pay for health insurance to treat illness brought on by the stress of five jobs.
  • Fear_and_Loathing: Lying on a application is fireable.


    I leave McDonald's off my job applications. It was a job too, no more and no less. I don't think its anyone's business if I choose not to tell them. I did nothing illegal, and I can't find anywhere in this story or related stores that Ms. Halas did either. Its none of the Superintendent's business and none of yours, either. Porn stars, current and former are taxpayers too and there is no legal reason to discriminate against her. Its not like she sold weapons to Iran's theocratic regime like President Reagan did.
  • Lsherm: Somewhere on the internet there must be a video of Weaver95 ass-farking a goat...


    Actually, I understand that was the King of Bahrain.
  • Somacandra: Lsherm: Somewhere on the internet there must be a video of Weaver95 ass-farking a goat...

    Actually, I understand that was the King of Bahrain.


    You know, all the Fark headlines eventually just become word soup in my head. I'm sure I went with goat for that very reason.
  • Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Most state lic. and local contracts, when you deal with children, have a "Moral Turpitude" clause. She will lose.

    so one mistake early on can destroy your career years later...? seems a bit harsh.


    Well that and the fact she lied when asked about it, that is an offense you can get fired for without any action.
  • Who amongst us hasn't had a teacher we wouldn't have loved to see appear in a porn flick?
  • Weaver95: Fear_and_Loathing: Weaver95: Hearing or not, the game is rigged when one mistake from your past can completely destroy your entire future career. you were stupid when you were in your 20s and you clean up your act, get focused and start pulling things together in your 30's and BAM! what you did 10 years ago shows up and wipes it all out forever.

    I don't disagree, but she took a job under conditions.  She didn't follow the standards.  Now she is in trouble.  Personally, my kids teacher was a Chippendale, not quite the same, but he was upfont when he got his job.  He is well liked and a great teacher.

    so...you are saying that you have to follow the standards of a job before you are even considering taking that job? if i'm say...23-ish. I have no idea what I'm gonna be doing when i'm in my 30's...i'm bouncing around, I go out one night and suddenly...a wild orgy breaks out! naked chicks everywhere, camera phones are hanging out all over the place...and wouldn't ya know it, I get laid several times that night. Fast forward a decade. i'm now 33-ish and i've given up my party lifestyle. I got married, kid on the way and I want to move up in the world and live a quiet suburban lifestyle. But I can't do that now, can I? because something I did when I was drunk/horny and 23 showed up when someone did a background check on me. So no cushy job for me, no promotions...i'm stuck in a lower paying job and forever barred from 'respectable' employment. I violated a morality clause for a job that I had NO IDEA i'd ever apply for when I was 23-ish. No options, no recourse...its just how it goes.

    so where do you think all the rage from that is gonna end up?


    no idea. not my problem you dumb punks can't screw without your phones out and recording.
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