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  • Heartwarming story. I was there in 93/94 as UNPROFOR and again as SFOR in 97. Serbs aren't my favourite people.
  • Citing Serbian electronics genius Nikola Tesla as an inspiration, Zoltan had the equipment modified so it would operate beyond the usual wavelengths.

    Ha! Tesla Nerds are everywhere!
  • Nice. Vega31. Knew the dude and I miss my little Black Jets. Goldfein (Hammer34) also a solid, fun dude to work with. Last -117 Bandit. Awesome boss. His wife, Dawn is super cool and our roof stomp on them at Holloman was epic. The best part about Zelco coming back (well, besides alive) was him giving the flag he'd been carrying for the Intel airman to her. Kept it during evasion. She cried, everyone cried. His recount of the events is out there somewhere...worth the listen.
  • Serbs aren't my favourite people.

    Not to defend their actions in the 80s/90s, but they had a pretty rough time at Tito's hands, mostly due to the British thinking they were Nazi sympathizers and the US going along with it. They rescued hundreds of US airmen who almost didn't get home because of the political maneuvering of Tito's partisans (who were mostly Croat).

    Read the Forgotten 500
  • Zoltan had the equipment modified so it would operate beyond the usual wavelengths.

    That extra unit of power he provided while manning the weapon must have helped.
  • Had he and I but met
    By some old ancient inn,
    We should have set us down to wet
    Right many a nipperkin!

    But ranged as infantry,
    And staring face to face,
    I shot at him as he at me,
    And killed him in his place.

    I shot him dead because--
    Because he was my foe,
    Just so: my foe of course he was;
    That's clear enough; although

    He thought he'd 'list, perhaps,
    Off-hand like--just as I--
    Was out of work--had sold his traps--
    No other reason why.

    Yes; quaint and curious war is!
    You shoot a fellow down
    You'd treat, if met where any bar is,
    Or help to half a crown.
  • Maybe I'm just missing it in TFA, but does anyone know where Mr. Zelko is from?

    He sounds like a remarkably forgiving person.
  • Is this the story that rad Owen Wilson movie was based off of? Because that made it seem way less friendly.
  • Nice to see people with high grade weapons acting like adults. Too many people forget that it's politicians and Generals who fight the war, the people who are doing the shooting are doing what they've been told, sometimes fighting for their homes, and sometimes the victims of propaganda. If the dominant forces respect their prisoners, civilians and occupied land, I see no reason why stuf like this can't occur more often.

    Great story.
  • By the way, Zoltan is Hungarian, not a Serb. The article kind of skates around that part.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zolt%C3% A1n_Dani

    /can't get the URL to copy properly
  • I'm not one to make a big deal out of small coincidences, but Zoltan Dani :: Dale Zelko ... I'm going out to buy my rapture ready canned goods now.

    Also, it's a testament (good bad or otherwise) how somebody can start out with a good Ukrainian last name like "Zelko" and end up with a first name that belongs in NASCAR.

    And Zoltan - wasn't he the robot that was formed out of five smaller lion robots?
  • HotWingAgenda: Is this the story that rad Owen Wilson movie was based off of? Because that made it seem way less friendly.


    No. He was in a different plane--F18 IIRC--and they were definitely NOT happy to see him. That was Scott O'Grady.
  • juvandy: Serbs aren't my favourite people.

    Not to defend their actions in the 80s/90s, but they had a pretty rough time at Tito's hands, mostly due to the British thinking they were Nazi sympathizers and the US going along with it. They rescued hundreds of US airmen who almost didn't get home because of the political maneuvering of Tito's partisans (who were mostly Croat).

    Read the Forgotten 500


    Serbian people are just regular people, same as everywhere.

    Serbian politics on the other hand, has been NUTS since 1914.

    And presumably since considerably earlier than that...
  • juvandy: Serbs aren't my favourite people.

    Not to defend their actions in the 80s/90s, but they had a pretty rough time at Tito's hands, mostly due to the British thinking they were Nazi sympathizers and the US going along with it. They rescued hundreds of US airmen who almost didn't get home because of the political maneuvering of Tito's partisans (who were mostly Croat).

    Read the Forgotten 500


    Also, not to justify the Serbs, but even the ones that left the war zone to immigrate to the west weren't totally free. Milosevik had a lot of his cronies and militant loyalists in the US and Canada, and they shook down the new arrivals. You get cramped housing and a guaranteed job, and we take back 75% of your pay forever. Even worse, that extortion later went to fund Milosevic's defense at his war crimes trial.
  • Yugoslavia was a such a massive clusterfark. Definitely should've left that one to the Europeans.
  • I bet Owen Wilson wouldn't have a beer with the man that shot down his plane. In fact I remember him running for his life from a guy dressed as one of the Beastie Boys.
  • The Europeans were dithering while Bosnians were being mowed down in Sarajevo
  • fusillade762: Zoltan had the equipment modified so it would operate beyond the usual wavelengths.

    That extra unit of power he provided while manning the weapon must have helped.


    ...did you just make an FTL reference??

    If so... awesome.
  • I thought McCain had retired.
  • JayCab: fusillade762: Zoltan had the equipment modified so it would operate beyond the usual wavelengths.

    That extra unit of power he provided while manning the weapon must have helped.

    ...did you just make an FTL reference??

    If so... awesome.


    Thanks. I wasn't sure anyone was going to get it.
  • Gyrfalcon: HotWingAgenda: Is this the story that rad Owen Wilson movie was based off of? Because that made it seem way less friendly.

    No. He was in a different plane--F18 IIRC--and they were definitely NOT happy to see him. That was Scott O'Grady.


    Behind Enemy Lines was very loosely based on the Scott O'Grady shootdown. They added a whole "retrieve evidence of war crimes" plot line in addition to changing a lot of details.

    In the movie, Owen Wilson's character (not named O'Grady) was a naval aviator in a two-person F/A-18. His pilot was captured and killed by the Serbs, before Owen Wilson's character is eventually rescued.

    In the real life incident, Scott O'Grady was an Air Force pilot in a single-seat F-16.
  • The world, in my opinion, would be a much schittier place without people like these two former warriors.
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