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  • cursive may be fairly useless but some shiat needs to be memorized. Before you can do all that great critical thinking stuff you need a base of facts to start from.
  • Sure. And they should do it only with quill pens while wearing white powdered wigs as well.
  • yeah, words like Hell and Damn and F...
  • Yeah... cursive is a great development skill, but try using it to fill out a job application

    /learn to frikkin PRINT legibly
    //it's going to be a while longer before Bill's paperless world comes to fruition
  • Voiceofreason01: cursive may be fairly useless but some shiat needs to be memorized. Before you can do all that great critical thinking stuff you need a base of facts to start from.


    I kind of disagree. Facts alone are worthless, at least they were for me - kids need to be taught critical thinking, to challenge each and every idea brought before them. To question why and wonder how. That's the only thing that ever got me to learn anything.

    Forcing kids to learn cursive is worthless. Pretending like kids don't have a smart phone in their pockets is worthless. Teach them how to think, teach them how to look for the answers, show them how to poke and prod and you just might have something.
  • vartian: Forcing kids to learn cursive is worthless


    How about 'forcing them' to learn addition and multiplication. Those aps are on their smart phones too.
    Also in that "poking and prodding' you speak of, they'll come across cursive texts in books and manuscripts. Ditching a skill that's been around for hundreds of years based on only a decade of technology is stupid.
  • optikeye: vartian: Forcing kids to learn cursive is worthless

    How about 'forcing them' to learn addition and multiplication. Those aps are on their smart phones too.
    Also in that "poking and prodding' you speak of, they'll come across cursive texts in books and manuscripts. Ditching a skill that's been around for hundreds of years based on only a decade of technology is stupid.


    It's also nice to have something to fall back on when all that technology takes a sh*t

    /like hurricanes, blizzards, zombie apocalypses, etc.
  • optikeye: Ditching a skill that's been around for hundreds of years based on only a decade of technology is stupid.


    Why? Because we're going to suddenly lose electricity? Cursive felt ancient when I learned it in high-school; it is positively archaic now.
  • MaudlinMutantMollusk: It's also nice to have something to fall back on when all that technology takes a sh*t


    The Flintstones age actually came after the Jetson's.

    They were a "modern" stone age family.

    After the sprocket/cog corporate wars. The earth was left in ruins. No more flying cars, no more high rise apartments.

    All Digital Media was lost..music, books, education texts. What remained was hard copy print films, books and LPs. Forgotten in the vaults of ground based libraries.

    Using that media which did not require specialized players the ground dwellers rebuilt a society based on the 50's and 60's decades of America. LP/Film Movies/and hard copy books were the template to imitate cultures and styles.

    Appliances were simulated using escaped bio engineered animals---and trained to preform specific tasks.


    This is how that started: "I got a Kindle"
  • MaudlinMutantMollusk: /like hurricanes, blizzards, zombie apocalypses, etc.


    Okay, but no one have ever needed cursive during a hurricane and if zombies are looking to eat me, penmanship is the last of my worries :)
  • vartian: Why? Because we're going to suddenly lose electricity? Cursive felt ancient when I learned it in high-school; it is positively archaic now.


    So, would you say the same for basic addition, and subtraction? Heck, even 'reading' is outdated by that logic with movies, TV, and audiobooks.
  • vartian: penmanship is the last of my worries :)


    Unless you read some hand crafted notes in a cookbook, medical book, or other books that relay knowledge.
  • optikeye: vartian: Why? Because we're going to suddenly lose electricity? Cursive felt ancient when I learned it in high-school; it is positively archaic now.

    So, would you say the same for basic addition, and subtraction? Heck, even 'reading' is outdated by that logic with movies, TV, and audiobooks.


    No, math is useful. Math is real. Worrying about if my r's connect with my t's is not.
  • I can't wait until I can use it to send secret messages to my fellow oldsters.
  • vartian: MaudlinMutantMollusk: /like hurricanes, blizzards, zombie apocalypses, etc.

    Okay, but no one have ever needed cursive during a hurricane and if zombies are looking to eat me, penmanship is the last of my worries :)


    It would sure as hell matter if you needed to jot down a sure-fire technique for disposing of zombies in a hurry

    /cursive is a lot easier than printing, actually
  • MaudlinMutantMollusk: Yeah... cursive is a great development skill, but try using it to fill out a job application


    FWIW I have used it within the last couple of years. For some retarded reason, you have to write a paragraph in cursive before you take the GRE.
  • The only argument I have for keeping cursive in the schools is:

    So they can read the founding documents of our country.

    Sure, sure, the text is available in every format from ASCII to Klingon, but there is something to be said for being able to stand in the National Archives, looking down at the DoI or the Constitution and being able to READ THE FARKING THING.
  • MaudlinMutantMollusk: cursive is a lot easier than printing, actually


    I know what you mean, except for my freaky cousin.

    He can hand write legible printing at about 20x the speed of any cursive writer I've ever seen. I mean, it's PERFECT printing.

    And here's the weird part: It's Arial/Halvetcia. I mean, the 'a' looks exactly like the arial/halvetica 'a', as do all the other letters. At 20x the speed of anyone I've ever seen. If he were a doc, he could write prescriptions that blind people could read.
  • GAT_00: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Yeah... cursive is a great development skill, but try using it to fill out a job application

    FWIW I have used it within the last couple of years. For some retarded reason, you have to write a paragraph in cursive before you take the GRE.


    Oh, sure... always got to be different, you do ;)

    /frustrated by trying to decipher too many illegible job aplications
  • I signed a credit card receipt about an hour ago.

    Next time I'm going to just put my "mark".


    X
  • vartian: optikeye: Ditching a skill that's been around for hundreds of years based on only a decade of technology is stupid.

    Why? Because we're going to suddenly lose electricity? Cursive felt ancient when I learned it in high-school; it is positively archaic now.


    In a few years it will become like a secret language, only known by old smelly farts in nursing homes.
  • Yeah - and they should learn Grafitti Link too.

    (Graffiti was awesome - dunno why it didn't catch on)

    The only reason to know cursive is to read old manuscripts and sign your name.

    it's rare that I write anything down on paper, but when I do, I always print it. My signature looks like something a 3 year old would scrawl with a crayon.

    When faced with a small touch screen to sign my name in some place like a grocery store I often don't even try. I just move the pen in a few circles and call it good. Based upon most of my receipts you could probably make out the first initial of my first name, but absolutely nothing else.

    Basic math - and even advanced math however should be taught. Yes, there's almost always going to be a computer of some sort handy to do it for you (even if the computer is just your phone) but you should be able to do that in your head. For basic math problems, it takes longer to punch the numbers into a smart-phone app than it does to do it in your head. Okay, maybe not your head, but in my head at least.
  • Every child needs to learn how to shoe a horse and keep a coal stove warm, too, right?

    Time to let' go of the 20th century, people.
  • bronyaur1: Every child needs to learn how to shoe a horse and keep a coal stove warm, too, right?

    Time to let' go of the 20th century, people.


    I'm going to start filling out all my paperwork in hieroglyphics, runes and drawings of smoke signals.
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