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Bathia_Mapes: The blame should really go to her father for allowing her to be on his lap while flying the helicopter.
vossiewulf: A rapid up and down movement of the collective? Wouldn't it be the cyclic to cause that? How could rapidly changing the pitch of the blades cause the main rotor to collide with the tail rotor?
costermonger: Sounds kind of consistent with witness reports to me. Letting a kid sit in your lap when there's also a collective stick between your legs shows something of a wanton disregard for safety on the case of the owner, and a lack of willingness on the part of the pilot to tell the boss what wasn't okay to do.
quatchi: [i0.kym-cdn.com image 500x375]Disaster girl is getting a real innocent kick out of this thread.
puffy999: Man, some people are pedantic./but are they shallow?
RoyBatty: The NTSB is notorious for declaring accidents to be pilot error that otherwise have unknown causes, but this report seems outrageous even for them.If there is no eye witness that the girl ever kicked the collective in the past, I find it difficult for them to blame the crash on the kid. The statement it is "highly likely" seems outrageous. If they want to state their theory of unknown collective input, that's one thing, to go from there to kid must've done it, seems gross.It also seems irresponsible to have a government agency make that statement with such little evidence when there are pending lawsuits.That said,How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?
Lsherm: Bathia_Mapes: The blame should really go to her father for allowing her to be on his lap while flying the helicopter.Agreed, but the NTSB is in the uncomfortable position of finding causes for a crash. My best friend was an airline pilot and died in a crash in 2004, and absent any mechanical failure they blamed the crash on him and his co-pilot because they were talking about things besides landing the plane under 10,000 feet on approach. They literally tried to land the plane 3 miles early. NTSB took a year and came up with "pilot error" because there wasn't any other reasonable explanation.It took me a long time to come to terms with it. My friend wasn't an idiot. Neither was his co-pilot. The weather was bad, so I figured the altimeter has malfunctioned and they thought they were higher than they were. But after reading the report, there were two altimeters, and they missed/ignored the readings during descent. Either they were running visual, or they were mistaken about where they were. It was a commuter plane (11 people died) and it didn't have a low altitude warning system because it wasn't required at the time. Of course, after that crash the low altitude warning became mandatory.The NTSB is very thorough - they interviewed me for the report because I had been out with him for dinner two days before the crash. They wanted to know if he could have been drunk/high during the flight because his body was so badly burned they couldn't test it. I let them know for the ten years he was flying he wouldn't drink if he had to fly to next day, because rules were rules. He was better than good about it - FAA rules were his bible.Another uncomfortable thing I learned about that plane crash: they put lead or steel weights in the coffin to fake the weight of a burned corpse. When we lifted his coffin at the funeral one of them fell over and the funeral director told me afterward that the bump I head was probably that. My friend weighed 225 lbs alive, ...
RoyBatty: The NTSB is notorious for declaring accidents to be pilot error that otherwise have unknown causes, but this report seems outrageous even for them.
ElizaDoolittle: Did the funeral home charge extra for the weights? I'll bet they did.
ElizaDoolittle: Ouch. I guess your friend was beyond caring, if that's any consolation. Did the funeral home charge extra for the weights? I'll bet they did.
Lsherm: Another uncomfortable thing I learned about that plane crash: they put lead or steel weights in the coffin to fake the weight of a burned corpse. When we lifted his coffin at the funeral one of them fell over and the funeral director told me afterward that the bump I head was probably that.
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