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  • Up next: murder investigation. No simple gas leak could cause that.
  • The ex-husband of Monserrate Shirley, the woman who lives at 8349 Fieldfare, said a text message from his daughter told him the heat went out about a week and a half ago. He believes a faulty furnace may have caused the blast.

    "I bet you anything that's why it happened," John Shirley said. Monserrate Shirley has declined multiple interview requests.



    Surely he can't be serious.
  • MagicBus: The ex-husband of Monserrate Shirley, the woman who lives at 8349 Fieldfare, said a text message from his daughter told him the heat went out about a week and a half ago. He believes a faulty furnace may have caused the blast.

    "I bet you anything that's why it happened," John Shirley said. Monserrate Shirley has declined multiple interview requests.


    Surely he can't be serious.


    His name is...

    dammit
  • I don't know why this is at all surprising. A house that size can hold 30 to 40 THOUSAND cubic feet of gas, maybe more.

    1. furnace was broken (no pilot light = lots of gas able to leak)
    2. house was vacant (no one home to report the rotten egg smell)
    3. no crater (explosives typically leave one, gas doesn't)
    4. no explosives residue

    It was an extreme example of a natural gas explosion, but yes, it was a Natural Gas Explosion.
  • RandomRandom: I don't know why this is at all surprising. A house that size can hold 30 to 40 THOUSAND cubic feet of gas, maybe more.

    1. furnace was broken (no pilot light = lots of gas able to leak)
    2. house was vacant (no one home to report the rotten egg smell)
    3. no crater (explosives typically leave one, gas doesn't)
    4. no explosives residue

    It was an extreme example of a natural gas explosion, but yes, it was a Natural Gas Explosion.


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  • Drone strike. Missed him by that much.
  • JackieRabbit: Up next: murder investigation. No simple gas leak could cause that.


    Manslaughter, maybe. But a gas leak? Sure it could...we had one in Boston a couple years back, did about as much damage.

    Paramedic I used to know told me gas explosions were weird calls...you'd have two dead...REALLY dead, no issues there...and about two dozen cases of cut feet, from all the neighbors getting up in the middle of the night to find out what blew their windows in...
  • RandomRandom: I don't know why this is at all surprising. A house that size can hold 30 to 40 THOUSAND cubic feet of gas, maybe more.

    But they have ventilation systems to prevent such a slow build up of gas

    1. furnace was broken (no pilot light = lots of gas able to leak)

    Modern furnaces do not have pilot lights. They use electronic ignition. Mine will shut itself down if gas is detected outside the fire chamber.

    2. house was vacant (no one home to report the rotten egg smell)

    No, it wasn't vacant. Two bodies were pulled from the wreckage.

    3. no crater (explosives typically leave one, gas doesn't)

    The explosion was caused by gas, but not a small leak.

    4. no explosives residue

    It was an extreme example of a natural gas explosion, but yes, it was a Natural Gas Explosion.


    And I suspect that it was intentional.
  • Why was the cat being boarded? That seems very strange.
  • Posted this in the last thread:

    I'm just going to throw some numbers out, largely pointless.

    Natural Gas.
    Specific Gravity - 0.55-0.64(depending on additives) So Natural Gas is lighter than air, a leak in the basement would certainly fill the house top-down.

    Flash Point - -306F
    Auto-Ignition - 1004F
    Lower Flammable Limit - 4.8%
    Upper Flammable Limit - 15%
    Energy Released by the combustion of Natural Gas - 37 MegaJoules/cubic meter
    Assuming 30 cubic ft. house you'd have 849.5 cubic meters.

    So for an explosion, at most,(keeping in mind the upper flammability limit) you could have 127.4 cubic meters of gas.

    Which would generate. 4.7 GigaJoules of energy. At once. A little over 1 ton of TNT(4.184×10^9 J).
  • Hell of a dramatic way to pull off a murder or insurance scam, since it made the national news and all. Could be someone was hoping for the equivalent of a giant BBQ rig instead.
  • So it wasn't an Obama drone?
  • Fishy story seems fishy... Cat lived but neighbors died because neighbors didn't get the same message that the cat got.
  • The adults out at a casino, the daughter at a friends, okay. Lucky.

    The cat was being boarded? I have cats, you can leave them home for a few days with a bowl of food and a bowl of water. The worst you'll get is some crap on the floor when they get pissed that the box hasn't been scooped. Who boards their cat for an evening out? That's like $30 a day, for a family who's heat went out a week and a half before that and presumably hadn't been fixed yet. In November (ie they're broke).

    Yeah, that ain't suspicious.
  • RandomRandom: I don't know why this is at all surprising. A house that size can hold 30 to 40 THOUSAND cubic feet of gas, maybe more.

    1. furnace was broken (no pilot light = lots of gas able to leak)
    2. house was vacant (no one home to report the rotten egg smell)
    3. no crater (explosives typically leave one, gas doesn't)
    4. no explosives residue

    It was an extreme example of a natural gas explosion, but yes, it was a Natural Gas Explosion.


    Reading between the lines, the nature of the explosion isn't really the story here. Everyone was conveniently somewhere else. The cat was being boarded for some unknown reason, while the daughter stayed with friends, mom and live-in boyfriend were at a casino, with videotaped alibis no less.

    So NO ONE was home in a house that they couldn't sell last year on the market (tried until March of this year)..and owed two mortgages on, owned by a guy who tried to file for bankruptcy, and isn't permitted to live with them in the house due to a protective order against them.

    Seems like a win-win-win-win-win situation right? Well, except for the two people that died, and the nearby folks that lost their homes.

    Expect a follow-up.
  • It was a gas leak, ignore anyone who says otherwise.

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    /Too lazy to find the proper episode.
    //Did the daughter ride the pony yet?
  • Girion47: Posted this in the last thread:

    I'm just going to throw some numbers out, largely pointless.

    Natural Gas.
    Specific Gravity - 0.55-0.64(depending on additives) So Natural Gas is lighter than air, a leak in the basement would certainly fill the house top-down.

    Flash Point - -306F
    Auto-Ignition - 1004F
    Lower Flammable Limit - 4.8%
    Upper Flammable Limit - 15%
    Energy Released by the combustion of Natural Gas - 37 MegaJoules/cubic meter
    Assuming 30 cubic ft. house you'd have 849.5 cubic meters.

    So for an explosion, at most,(keeping in mind the upper flammability limit) you could have 127.4 cubic meters of gas.

    Which would generate. 4.7 GigaJoules of energy. At once. A little over 1 ton of TNT(4.184×10^9 J).


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    The answer is 1.21 Jigawatts.
  • RandomRandom: 2. house was vacant (no one home to report the rotten egg smell)



    Very good, but ethanethiol doesn't smell like rotten eggs, that's hydrogen sulfide.
  • Embden.Meyerhof: RandomRandom: 2. house was vacant (no one home to report the rotten egg smell)


    Very good, but ethanethiol doesn't smell like rotten eggs, that's hydrogen sulfide.


    which has such a low odor threshold, in the parts per billion range, that a neighbor should have smelled it. Unless the house absolutely air tight.(which shouldn't be the case unless it was intentionally made so.)
  • Furnaces don't work like that. Everything on the 24 volt circuit depends on flame rectification. meaning if there was ever gas flow and no flame sensed, the circuit would go back to its normally open position on the gas valve, killing the gas altogether.

    Fraud works like this.
  • Girion47: Assuming 30 cubic ft. house you'd have 849.5 cubic meters.


    30 cubic foot house?

    Was it one of those Japanese coffin hotels? A 30 cubic foot room would be 6x5x1.
  • Embden.Meyerhof: RandomRandom: 2. house was vacant (no one home to report the rotten egg smell)


    Very good, but ethanethiol doesn't smell like rotten eggs, that's hydrogen sulfide.


    Isn't Mercaptan added to natural gas pumped to homes to add the smell specifically for detection purposes?
  • China White Tea: Girion47: Assuming 30 cubic ft. house you'd have 849.5 cubic meters.

    30 cubic foot house?

    Was it one of those Japanese coffin hotels? A 30 cubic foot room would be 6x5x1.


    I copied and pasted from the other thread. For some reason 30kraft. was changed to "30kraft" I fixed the "cubic foot" part and forgot about the "K"
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