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  • Two dozen states have passed similar laws since 2005, and several studies show that so-called "justifiable homicides" have increased significantly in the places that have enacted "stand your ground" laws. Reports have also shown that the law has had disparate impacts on racial minorities, and many of the people who have successfully used it are felons.

    A: No shiat justifiable homicides increased. Before the law, they weren't considered "justified", and people defending themselves were put in prison.

    B: The notion of "disparate impacts" to minorities is moot without considering the situations. If, in identical situations, killers of minorities are more likely to SUCCESSFULLY use Stand Your Ground laws than are killers of whites, then yes, the way the law is enforced needs to change, because there is evidence of discrimination. The simple fact that there is a disparity doesn't actually mean anything.

    C: So what if felons successfully use the Stand Your Ground law? If they are not allowed to own/possess guns, they'll be prosecuted under those laws. Otherwise, who says felons aren't allowed the same defensive rights against attack than anyone else?
  • Good.

    Look, you come after me and intend to cause me serious bodily injury or even death and I kill you, I should not have to face any charges from the state or litigation from your loved ones from protecting myself from pain or death.

    SYG is being politicized because of George Zimmerman, but there are countless incidents where a homeowner, or average citizen has legally protected themselves and been protected by this law.

    Only idiots, the misinformed or sociopaths believe that SYG laws are a license to just start popin' caps in every mothafarka' that looks at you weird.
  • dahmers love zombie: C: So what if felons successfully use the Stand Your Ground law? If they are not allowed to own/possess guns, they'll be prosecuted under those laws. Otherwise, who says felons aren't allowed the same defensive rights against attack than anyone else?


    Because they once did something wrong, and we as a society for some reason love to continue to shiat all over people who have farked up in life?
  • Endive Wombat: Because they once did something wrong, and we as a society for some reason love to continue to shiat all over people who have farked up in life?


    He's killed 130 people in a shooting spree at a mall, but it was just that one time so it's all good..
  • This is why I love concealed carry.

    moving right along.

    Time for lunch.
  • ooh! It's been a while... DRINK!
  • Endive Wombat: SYG is being politicized because of George Zimmerman,


    Which is stupid, because SYG doesn't apply in that case. Juan Epstein was being assaulted physically when he fired.
  • There's nothing wrong with the law.

    It just needs to be interpreted as it's written.
  • TheDarkDevice: ooh! It's been a while... DRINK!


    Actually, now that the election is over, the case against Epstein will be quietly dropped, because he will have been found to have acted within the law.
  • dittybopper: Endive Wombat: SYG is being politicized because of George Zimmerman,

    Which is stupid, because SYG doesn't apply in that case. Juan Epstein was being assaulted physically when he fired.


    His name is Carlos Goldbaum.
  • You mean all of the speculation about how these laws are going to cause an epidemic of people picking fights just for the excuse to kill someone is all horseshiat? I'm shocked. I just cannot believe that the anti-gun folks would lie like that.
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    "That there is just a technicality."
  • Dimmerman has NO right to claim self defense under "stand your ground".

    He wasn't standing.

    He was pinned to the ground as Martin tried to beat him to death.


    /JUSTICE FOR TRAYVON!
  • umad: You mean all of the speculation about how these laws are going to cause an epidemic of people picking fights just for the excuse to kill someone is all horseshiat? I'm shocked. I just cannot believe that the anti-gun folks would lie like that.


    Yeah, funny how that never actually happens.
  • topcon: dittybopper: Endive Wombat: SYG is being politicized because of George Zimmerman,

    Which is stupid, because SYG doesn't apply in that case. Juan Epstein was being assaulted physically when he fired.

    His name is Carlos Goldbaum.


    Jesus Guttmann.
  • Florida and Hero tags morph into one.
  • Does the law still not apply if you defend youself against "youths"? Last i heard it didn't apply then and it would get you a Murder 2 rap.
  • dittybopper: topcon: dittybopper: Endive Wombat: SYG is being politicized because of George Zimmerman,

    Which is stupid, because SYG doesn't apply in that case. Juan Epstein was being assaulted physically when he fired.

    His name is Carlos Goldbaum.

    Jesus Guttmann.


    Santiago Goldberg
  • Endive Wombat: "SYG is being politicized because of George Zimmerman"

    No, SYG is being argued because Zimmerman underscored how incredibly broadly defined "stand" and "your ground" really are.
    The intent of SYG is laudable. But if the reality is that one person can intentionally follow and confront another, shoot them dead and then claim a SYG defense, then *any killing* with no witnesses becomes justifiable homicide. And that's an awful lot of injustice to swallow, for a law that was supposedly developed to limit injustice.
  • Bravo Florida!!

    Common sense prevails.
  • Righto, ringersol

    History is written by the victors.
  • redmid17: dittybopper: topcon: dittybopper: Endive Wombat: SYG is being politicized because of George Zimmerman,

    Which is stupid, because SYG doesn't apply in that case. Juan Epstein was being assaulted physically when he fired.

    His name is Carlos Goldbaum.

    Jesus Guttmann.

    Santiago Goldberg


    Javier Cohen
  • umad: You mean all of the speculation about how these laws are going to cause an epidemic of people picking fights just for the excuse to kill someone is all horseshiat? I'm shocked. I just cannot believe that the anti-gun folks would lie like that.


    According to the article those things DID happen, but the Republican-dominated commission decided not to include those studies.
  • Endive Wombat: dahmers love zombie: C: So what if felons successfully use the Stand Your Ground law? If they are not allowed to own/possess guns, they'll be prosecuted under those laws. Otherwise, who says felons aren't allowed the same defensive rights against attack than anyone else?

    Because they once did something wrong, and we as a society for some reason love to continue to shiat all over people who have farked up in life?


    I'm for SYG but I think you're oversimplifying things to make a point there. Not all felons merely "once did something wrong", there are plenty who did some serious psychopathic shiat and your response makes it sound like you think it's silly to restrict those people from guns and whatnot.

    If you want to argue that it shouldn't be a blanket ban for all felonies (e.g. drug possession vs murder) I agree but you shouldn't have to scratch your melon very long before coming up with some good cases where "for some reason" isn't too hard to figure out. Not every felon is a poor misunderstood guy who stole a car as a 17 year old, it isn't too hard to come up with plenty of explanations. "for some reason we as a society" seems deliberately obtuse or you're only referring to some felonies, but if you really can't see any cases where felonies should be punished for life I'll quote you and say "you're either an idiot or misinformed."

    To clarify, I don't care if you're Charles Manson, you have a right to defend yourself. However I wouldn't conflate that with a right to own a gun (I'm guessing SYG isn't particular to guns as a method either) and I don't think thats "society" being a bunch of dumb pussies either.
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