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  • In Sin City, when Marv is talking about how he don't feel bad doin' things to hit men... that's how I feel about HOAs and their crooked lawyers.
  • Ahh, HOAs -- where people who are abused by their bosses, spouses, children and co-workers go to be able to flout their authority when they're finally banned from Denny's for sending their Moons over My Hammy back one too many times.
  • I see this from two different sides...guy agreed to live in an HOA and adhere to their rules, including paying the dues. On the other hand, this guy could lose his home over a few back dues/crazy fees? Come on people! Totally unacceptable.

    I do think that there should at least be some kind of protection for homeowners against overly aggressive HOAs. I mean, missing one payment then it suddenly ballooning to $1300 then potentially forcing the homeowner to sell the house to settle the debt? Horseshait.
  • Robert contacted AAM was shocked to learn his $150 in back payments had ballooned to more than $1300.

    There is nothing HOA-specific about this. You probably have a credit card or student loan agreement saying if you are a penny short or a day late they can hire the entire staff of the biggest NYC law firm to fly from Laguardia to Newark via China to stomp on you at your expense.

    Fixes to the system probably have to come by statute, so these stories are useful even when the debtor is going to lose. In Massachusetts one of the papers ran a series on debt collection practices. The result was some minor changes to the law, most importantly raising the vehicle exemption from a few hundred to several thousand dollars. If your car is worth less than $7,500 the creditor can't hold it hostage as a debt collection tool.  (The trick was, seize a $2,000 car over a $300 debt, sell it for $300, charge the debtor $600 in sheriff's and auction fees, and leave the debtor $300 deeper in the hole and some friend of the sheriff $1,700 richer.)
  • ZAZ: Robert contacted AAM was shocked to learn his $150 in back payments had ballooned to more than $1300.

    There is nothing HOA-specific about this. You probably have a credit card or student loan agreement saying if you are a penny short or a day late they can hire the entire staff of the biggest NYC law firm to fly from Laguardia to Newark via China to stomp on you at your expense.

    Fixes to the system probably have to come by statute, so these stories are useful even when the debtor is going to lose. In Massachusetts one of the papers ran a series on debt collection practices. The result was some minor changes to the law, most importantly raising the vehicle exemption from a few hundred to several thousand dollars. If your car is worth less than $7,500 the creditor can't hold it hostage as a debt collection tool.  (The trick was, seize a $2,000 car over a $300 debt, sell it for $300, charge the debtor $600 in sheriff's and auction fees, and leave the debtor $300 deeper in the hole and some friend of the sheriff $1,700 richer.)


    The people who did that should have been shot. And not cleanly.
  • HOA's don't make up these rules. Condo/HOA powers are usually pretty clearly encoded in state law.

  • ones against HOA's


    Against HOA's what? Just one HOA, then?
  • Another HOA hater thread?

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    /way to stretch for that low hanging fruit, tardmitter.
  • Neither class action lawsuits nor HOAs are intrinsically bad. Far too many of both are abusive and corrupt, causing drastically more damage than good. But one doesn't throw out people's right to sue for damages (and class action lawsuits are good for the court system and the speed of justice) any more than one throws out the right of people to willingly enter into contracts.
  • Derwood: HOA's don't make up these rules. Condo/HOA powers are usually pretty clearly encoded in state law.


    FTFA:
    Robert hired his own attorney, Roger Wood, who told 3 On Your Side that he's discovered thousands of liens and lawsuits that he claims were wrongfully filed against Arizona homeowners, like the Leathams.


    The lawsuit says he's found 2,000 claims he says were wrongfully reported to the Recorder's Office in Maricopa County. I want to know what process the LLCs were supposed to follow.
  • HOA's exist for a reason. HOA communities typically have higher resale values because the neighborhoods are kept up and idiot neighbors are fined for breaking the rules. When you buy a house you have to sign a document that says you know there is an HOA and you agree to abide by the terms and rules. Part of that is what happens when you don't pay your dues.

    Don't like it? HOA boards are elected. Next time there is an election get that seat filled by someone that agrees with you or run yourself. Most HOA meetings are every other month. Nobody shows up. Lucky if there are even enough board members to make quorum. Get involved! Change management companies if you don't like their practices. Decisions are made by those who show up.

    Don't want to get involved? Pay your HOA dues or move out. Pretty simple.
  • Legalized Loan Sharking is what this is. On the one hand...pay your dues. On the other hand when the "fees" amount to 10X the actual amount due, something is beyond suspicious.

    Having missed a toll bill in the mail once (Dallas Area tolls will simply mail you a bill instead of having to carry around change), I've seen how this works. I have 5 tolls that month when I missed the bill. Typically they are 50 cents or so. For each toll, i was charged an administrative fee of $6.00. So my roughly $3.50 bill became over $30.

    Its no different if I pay my Home Loan online--they charge a "Fee" of $20 to process the payment...WTF!! (Yes I know they can wave it, but if the person is a dick they won't and the $20 charge is less than a late fee).

    Or to transfer between bank accounts that takes three days (electronically) they charge you money and then get to use your money interest free for 3 days.

    Bit of a ramble here, but the more people stand up to this BS, the less we get nickled and dimed to death. Its become so Outrageous that its clearly overboard in some areas like HOA dues/or fines (I once received a nasty gram because my lawn wasn't green enough--in JANUARY! $35 fine because ummm seasons!).

    I think its time for pitchforks and tar.....Excuse me, now I have to go take my meds.
  • So he's an LEO and doesn't abuse his power to try to fix things? That's rare.
  • Don't like HOAs? Don't choose to live under one.
  • Who is philosophically against class action lawsuits? It's one of the few tools left for little people to stand up against massive corporations and other entrenched interests.
  • themeaningoflifeisnot: Don't like HOAs? Don't choose to live under one.


    Then it should be made optional when purchasing a home
  • mpfjr: HOA's exist for a reason. HOA communities typically have higher resale values because the neighborhoods are kept up and idiot neighbors are fined for breaking the rules. When you buy a house you have to sign a document that says you know there is an HOA and you agree to abide by the terms and rules. Part of that is what happens when you don't pay your dues.

    Don't like it? HOA boards are elected. Next time there is an election get that seat filled by someone that agrees with you or run yourself. Most HOA meetings are every other month. Nobody shows up. Lucky if there are even enough board members to make quorum. Get involved! Change management companies if you don't like their practices. Decisions are made by those who show up.

    Don't want to get involved? Pay your HOA dues or move out. Pretty simple.


    When a company buys 1/100th of a share and then stacks the vote for 100 'residents' tell me how that voting works for you.
  • HOAs suck. On the other hand, pay your f*cking bills and this stuff doesn't happen.
  • Warlordtrooper: themeaningoflifeisnot: Don't like HOAs? Don't choose to live under one.

    Then it should be made optional when purchasing a home


    Purchasing a home under an HOA is optional.
  • Endive Wombat: I see this from two different sides...guy agreed to live in an HOA and adhere to their rules, including paying the dues. On the other hand, this guy could lose his home over a few back dues/crazy fees? Come on people! Totally unacceptable.

    I do think that there should at least be some kind of protection for homeowners against overly aggressive HOAs. I mean, missing one payment then it suddenly ballooning to $1300 then potentially forcing the homeowner to sell the house to settle the debt? Horseshait.


    FTFA, it does not appear that this happened "suddenly".

    The lien was placed "earlier this year" for falling behind on the dues. I would guess that the dues was due back in December and then sometime in March, after trying to collect the dues for a couple of months, they filed the lien.

    So almost a year later, he finds that the people who filed the lien had to spend money to do so. Surprise!
  • Warlordtrooper: themeaningoflifeisnot: Don't like HOAs? Don't choose to live under one.

    Then it should be made optional when purchasing a home


    It is. I purchased a home without an HOA. Mainly because of things like this.
    I mow my lawn, rake my leaves, and keep my house clean. My neighbors do the same... mostly.
  • Warlordtrooper: themeaningoflifeisnot: Don't like HOAs? Don't choose to live under one.

    Then it should be made optional when purchasing a home


    It is completely optional. When you are buying a house you get to choose which house to buy. Don't buy in an HOA controlled development.
  • Knucklepopper: Derwood: HOA's don't make up these rules. Condo/HOA powers are usually pretty clearly encoded in state law.

    FTFA:
    Robert hired his own attorney, Roger Wood, who told 3 On Your Side that he's discovered thousands of liens and lawsuits that he claims were wrongfully filed against Arizona homeowners, like the Leathams.


    The lawsuit says he's found 2,000 claims he says were wrongfully reported to the Recorder's Office in Maricopa County. I want to know what process the LLCs were supposed to follow.


    Good luck in the corrupt land of Sherrif farkin' Joe. Unless you are over 80.
  • Warlordtrooper: themeaningoflifeisnot: Don't like HOAs? Don't choose to live under one.

    Then it should be made optional when purchasing a home


    It is. Don't buy in a place where HOA membership is required.
  • Warlordtrooper: themeaningoflifeisnot: Don't like HOAs? Don't choose to live under one.

    Then it should be made optional when purchasing a home


    you are missing the point.
    You are not just purchasing a home, you are buying into a community that is managed by a HOA. For some people, the HOA has a benefit - e.g. when your neighbors refuse to mow their lawn or decide they want to paint their house bright pink, there are ways to make sure that your property value is not adversely affected.
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