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  • Yeah. You see guys, if you have a security clearance and give away classified material, some people are going to have a problem with that.
  • So says RT - not even going to click on the Russian version of Fox News....well, calling RT the Russian version of Fox News is too nive. They're a state-run news organization.

    They're more slanted than CCTV (the Chinese state-run news organization).
  • I'm glad he did what he did because this nation needed a kick in the ass about the actual havoc and misery that war inflicts. However, he must serve time for what he did. If we are a nation of laws, he must. I would never advocate reckless publication as he did unless I felt we had become so jaded. Hell, most people don't even know we still have a war going on in Afghanistan. We're completely disconnected from reality.

    He still has to serve time. He knew the penalties for what he did. I hope it was worth it to him.
  • Fark the Nobel Laureates and fark Bradley Manning. You sign away a lot of rights when you accept a security clearance. Don't like it? Don't ask for it.
  • I agree with them, I too am appaled Manning hasn't been shot yet.

    /DNRTFA
  • He can be morally right and legally wrong simultaneously. You simply can't establish the precedent that leaking classified materials is OK. Being a martyr comes with certain downsides.
  • In the world I see - you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockefeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying strips of venison on the empty car pool lane of some abandoned superhighway.
  • Yeah, if he done it; he committed high treason. If he felt that making the information public was for the greater good, great; he still committed high treason. If it is necessary for a democracy to be transparent, good; he still committed high treason.
  • St_Francis_P: Yeah. You see guys, if you have a security clearance and give away classified material, some people are going to have a problem with that.


    ^
  • I'd like to slam the Nobel Committee for politicizing, and thus cheapening, the award itself.
  • Mr. Eugenides: I agree with them, I too am appaled Manning hasn't been shot yet.

    /DNRTFA


    Look, I hate the NY Giants as much as the next guy, but that's a bit harsh.
  • If general, if Nobel winners of the Peace Prize are for it, I feel I should probably be againsti t.

    It doesn't work 100% of the time, but it's the way to bet.
  • iheartscotch: Yeah, if he done it; he committed high treason. If he felt that making the information public was for the greater good, great; he still committed high treason. If it is necessary for a democracy to be transparent, good; he still committed high treason.


    So did the Founding Fathers, sure no American is going to condemn them for that. A "moral imperative" they would said the Fathers had to break free of the tyrannical Great Britain and its atrocious restriction. But now that it's 2012, and somebody tries to do the same thing under a moral imperative, they condemn him. It reminds me of that MIT prank that will get a young adult many years in prison when it should have only gotten a laugh. Back in 1776, committing high treason under a moral imperative was lauded, now it is condemned. Back thirty years ago, pulling a college prank was lauded and respected, now it gets you terrorist charges.
  • vygramul: Fark the Nobel Laureates and fark Bradley Manning. You sign away a lot of rights when you accept a security clearance. Don't like it? Don't ask for it.


    They even make it crystal clear what you are signing away. He had an agreement with the US Government to keep state secrets, and he broke it.

    If he wanted to be a whistleblower, there are legal provisions for that. He would have been legally justified taking it to any Inspector Generals office in the military,or if he didn't trust anybody in the military, he legally could have taken it to the office of a Congressman for a Congressional inquiry.

    Handing over a quarter million documents of state secrets, which he swore to protect on pain of dire consequences to a foreign national to be dumped on the open Internet was almost the dumbest thing he could have done. 

    He has earned how he is being treated, no mercy to him.
  • CruJones: Being a martyr comes with certain downsides.


    Martyrs are made. America is turning this guy into one by treating him this way. He will either be branded traitor or martyr, depending on which side of the fence you stand.

    I'm seeing martyr, as I support what he did and why he did it. You may see domestic terrorist/traitor, as you support everything american, including war atrocities.
  • Happy Hours: So says RT - not even going to click on the Russian version of Fox News....well, calling RT the Russian version of Fox News is too nive. They're a state-run news organization.

    They're more slanted than CCTV (the Chinese state-run news organization).


    They just want to distract the rest of the world from the Pussy Riot thing.
  • More clearly serviced the cause of peace than when BO got his.
  • Just about everything they say is a lie. He is not a whistleblower, he had no clue what he was releasing.

    He didn't do it to blow the whistle, he did it because he was having a major mental breakdown and wanted to take it out on the Army.

    He is not being held in tortuous conditions, he has been in a medium security brig for like 18 months, which is 1/100th as stressful as being on the frontline. The farker actually had the lack of balls to complain about a scratchy blanket and the lack of a pillow

    Save your farking propaganda.
  • uttertosh: CruJones: Being a martyr comes with certain downsides.

    Martyrs are made. America is turning this guy into one by treating him this way. He will either be branded traitor or martyr, depending on which side of the fence you stand.

    I'm seeing martyr, as I support what he did and why he did it. You may see domestic terrorist/traitor, as you support everything american, including war atrocities.



    It is entirely possible to oppose war atrocities and condemn his actions at the same time. You are allowing your ideology to skew your viewpoint so drastically that others won't take you seriously. Good luck with that.
  • NewportBarGuy: I'm glad he did what he did because this nation needed a kick in the ass about the actual havoc and misery that war inflicts. However, he must serve time for what he did. If we are a nation of laws, he must. I would never advocate reckless publication as he did unless I felt we had become so jaded. Hell, most people don't even know we still have a war going on in Afghanistan. We're completely disconnected from reality.

    He still has to serve time. He knew the penalties for what he did. I hope it was worth it to him.


    So what should any government do to prevent their secrets from escaping by some stupid PFC type individual? I would be okay with 24 hour segregation from all but the guards for the rest of his life with only a mandated healthy diet and health care available as something he can receive. No music, no video, no lawyers, no letters, no calls, no library. Just the rest of his life to consider how badly he failed every one he cared about. Not even an hour per day in a bricked-up yard for exercise and sun light.

    If you hold and take responsibility for secrets that could potentially cost the lives of others, you have to pay for your absence of good morals in keeping those secrets in tact. When you own those responsibilities... you take responsibility for the lives and well being of others, their families, their friends, and their country.

    There is no exception. You have NO honor and no right to life when you put other's lives at eminent risk. In the least he should earn life in prison in isolation.
  • News: Huffington Post RT readers are unaware they were reading Kremlin propaganda
  • This 

    /sometimes I think that peace price winners shouldn't have a kill list.
  • Ending War = Ending Poverty = Never gonna happen

    Utopian Hogwash
  • This thread looks like they have a point.
  • CasperImproved: In the least he should earn life in prison in isolation.


    So he should be tortured then? Cause that's what your recommending, a punishment that is torture.
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