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  • One thing I've noticed that I don't think the big boys have an answer for is the recent rise in beer houses. They have been popping up all over the place lately and the craft beers are the clear favorite. One of the houses here in Charlotte refuses to serve anything that is not a craft beer. I've talked top the owner and he says he will go out of business before he sells a Budweiser. The place is packed every night. If your in the area it's called VBGB. it's been highlighted on the show "drinking made easy". Fun place great beers and they always have some thing new to try.
  • Meh. If the big boys buy up and ruin the craft brewers, I'll just start making my own again.
  • YOU FOOL! YOU'VE SUMMONED THE APOSTROPHE POLICE!
  • The problem isn't retail space (my local has three half aisles and a cooler devoted to beer and 16 devoted to wine) but tap space at the local.
  • MaudlinMutantMollusk: YOU FOOL! YOU'VE SUMMONED THE APOSTROPHE POLICE!


    It's become so common I don't even bother commenting on it. Why do so many people want to use an apostrophe with plurals?
  • St_Francis_P: Meh. If the big boys buy up and ruin the craft brewers, I'll just start making my own again.


    I really don't want to start up my own brewing club again after ten years... those guys were a bunch of drunks.

    /as I was the artist in the group, I did over thirty labels to put on all those beers
  • If I think I'm comfortable, then I'm likely comfortable. That piece of pedantic logic aside, my go-to craft brewers will not be touched by this.

    It's sometimes good to live on the frozen tundra, away from the reach of SABM/AB-IB/VD/IUD.
  • AlwaysRightBoy: St_Francis_P: Meh. If the big boys buy up and ruin the craft brewers, I'll just start making my own again.

    I really don't want to start up my own brewing club again after ten years... those guys were a bunch of drunks.

    /as I was the artist in the group, I did over thirty labels to put on all those beers


    A friend brews a lot of mead and melomel, so I'm covered in any event. He has an artist friend making labels. She's getting pretty good at it.
  • St_Francis_P: AlwaysRightBoy: St_Francis_P: Meh. If the big boys buy up and ruin the craft brewers, I'll just start making my own again.

    I really don't want to start up my own brewing club again after ten years... those guys were a bunch of drunks.

    /as I was the artist in the group, I did over thirty labels to put on all those beers

    A friend brews a lot of mead and melomel, so I'm covered in any event. He has an artist friend making labels. She's getting pretty good at it.


    My best label was "Toads Spit Ale". I wish I could show you the label.
  • Ah, the wonders of a free market. Driving out competition because it makes a better product.
  • GAT_00: Ah, the wonders of a free market. Driving out competition because it makes a better product.


    I liked the part about their being unable to consolidate further without possible anti-trust repercussions

    /ALL YOUR BEER ARE BELONG TO US
    //I'll stick with cider
  • GAT_00: Ah, the wonders of a free market. Driving out competition because it makes a better product.


    This just goes to my thesis: the most anti-competitive force on the planet is big business. Not to say Sierra Nevada or Dogfish Head wouldn't do this if they could, but they're nowhere near being able to do it. Every business' dream is to charge as much as possible while providing as little possible. Quality beers threaten that model.
  • MaudlinMutantMollusk: I liked the part about their being unable to consolidate further without possible anti-trust repercussions


    Yeah, like they are actually going to get attacked for violating anti-trust laws.
  • St_Francis_P: MaudlinMutantMollusk: YOU FOOL! YOU'VE SUMMONED THE APOSTROPHE POLICE!

    It's become so common I don't even bother commenting on it. Why do so many people want to use an apostrophe with plurals?


    It's not as bad as people who put apostrophes in the names of their children.
  • GAT_00: Ah, the wonders of a free market. Driving out competition because it makes a better product.


    Since most people are satisfied with crappy beer, the meaning of "better" is debatable in the large picture. As far as the market goes, better means reasonably cheap, or at least affordable, with lots of effective advertising, product placement, and demographic identification.
  • The ironic thing is that the people who are claiming that the big brewers don't make a quality product are wrong.

    American light lager is difficult to make, and the consistency and freshness is amazing.

    That being said, I believe that A-B is evil.
  • Dave and his national accounts team walked me through a deck showing that chains that over-SKU with crafts end up selling less beer and making less profit than chains that protect their domestic premium space.

    I think their research is SKU'ed
  • Two companies dominating a beverage industry? Unheard of!

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  • St_Francis_P: GAT_00: Ah, the wonders of a free market. Driving out competition because it makes a better product.

    Since most people are satisfied with crappy beer, the meaning of "better" is debatable in the large picture. As far as the market goes, better means reasonably cheap, or at least affordable, with lots of effective advertising, product placement, and demographic identification.


    Buying a bad product doesn't make it good. I have Comcast because I don't have a decent second option.
  • GAT_00: St_Francis_P: GAT_00: Ah, the wonders of a free market. Driving out competition because it makes a better product.

    Since most people are satisfied with crappy beer, the meaning of "better" is debatable in the large picture. As far as the market goes, better means reasonably cheap, or at least affordable, with lots of effective advertising, product placement, and demographic identification.

    Buying a bad product doesn't make it good. I have Comcast because I don't have a decent second option.


    Except I've talked to people who like Bud and Miller. They think it's perfectly good. I won't drink it either, but that's the reality of the market.
  • Not sure if it still counts as a "craft" beer, but this is what we drink in New Orleans:

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    And because it's sweet, this is a good breakfast beer. Goes down easy:

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  • St_Francis_P: GAT_00: St_Francis_P: GAT_00: Ah, the wonders of a free market. Driving out competition because it makes a better product.

    Since most people are satisfied with crappy beer, the meaning of "better" is debatable in the large picture. As far as the market goes, better means reasonably cheap, or at least affordable, with lots of effective advertising, product placement, and demographic identification.

    Buying a bad product doesn't make it good. I have Comcast because I don't have a decent second option.

    Except I've talked to people who like Bud and Miller. They think it's perfectly good. I won't drink it either, but that's the reality of the market.


    And people think McDonalds and Sonic are good too. Americans have a long history of aspiring to reach the worst.
  • GAT_00: St_Francis_P: GAT_00: St_Francis_P: GAT_00: Ah, the wonders of a free market. Driving out competition because it makes a better product.

    Since most people are satisfied with crappy beer, the meaning of "better" is debatable in the large picture. As far as the market goes, better means reasonably cheap, or at least affordable, with lots of effective advertising, product placement, and demographic identification.

    Buying a bad product doesn't make it good. I have Comcast because I don't have a decent second option.

    Except I've talked to people who like Bud and Miller. They think it's perfectly good. I won't drink it either, but that's the reality of the market.

    And people think McDonalds and Sonic are good too. Americans have a long history of aspiring to reach the worst.


    Not arguing with that.
  • dickfreckle: Not sure if it still counts as a "craft" beer, but this is what we drink in New Orleans:



    And because it's sweet, this is a good breakfast beer. Goes down easy:


    Love them both. Only place I can get them in Charlotte is at a few of our cajun restaurants and world of beer
  • "Hyperconsolidation of the kind seen in the beer industry drives down consumer prices"

    So he thinks supply and demand does not apply? I guess not since he goes on to describe how you manipulate the retailers.
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