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  • Not a surprise, Spain is essentially a bunch of autonomous communities: Catalonians, Andalusians, Galicians, Basques, etc. La Mancha considers secession tilting at windmills. Elsewhere in Europe: stupid Flanders is even more serious about separating from Belgium and Scotland's going to vote on becoming its own country (but, ya know, with Elizabeth still as Queen). All Europe needs now is eastern Austria to split away, then they'd have another Vienna Secession.
  • This would be like California separating from the US...if California spoke a different language and shared more in common trade-and-culture-wise with western Mexico than with the rest of the US.

    Well yeah, but even more so.
  • Paris1127: Not a surprise, Spain is essentially a bunch of autonomous communities: Catalonians, Andalusians, Galicians, Basques, etc. La Mancha considers secession tilting at windmills. Elsewhere in Europe: stupid Flanders is even more serious about separating from Belgium and Scotland's going to vote on becoming its own country (but, ya know, with Elizabeth still as Queen). All Europe needs now is eastern Austria to split away, then they'd have another Vienna Secession.


    There are some cynics or perhaps even conspiracy theorists who note the connection in the rise of these separatist movements with the plan by the EU to divide itself into regions, rather than countries, after it federalizes, or to strip away national identity to make federalizing easier.

    /adjusts lead lined hat... tin foil is what the government hands out to keep them in your brainwaves.
  • If they do this will the Basque nationalists try again?
  • Paris1127: La Mancha considers secession tilting at windmills.


    I thought La Mancha was part of Catalonia?

    /off to re-educate myself on geography...
  • Catalonia, Scotland, Flanders, et al are making a historically serious mistake right now. Opting for small-state autonomy may be the 'right' short-term economical decision, but I predict it will come back to bite them in the ass later.

    Unless everyone does it, and they all federate into a US of Europe. Then it might work out.
  • whistleridge: Catalonia, Scotland, Flanders, et al are making a historically serious mistake right now. Opting for small-state autonomy may be the 'right' short-term economical decision, but I predict it will come back to bite them in the ass later.

    Unless everyone does it, and they all federate into a US of Europe. Then it might work out.


    Uniting Europe won't work. We hate each other too much. Then you have wildly different national characteristics and attitudes and ... wait, *remembers US election...

    Maybe it could work.
  • Slaxl: whistleridge: Catalonia, Scotland, Flanders, et al are making a historically serious mistake right now. Opting for small-state autonomy may be the 'right' short-term economical decision, but I predict it will come back to bite them in the ass later.

    Unless everyone does it, and they all federate into a US of Europe. Then it might work out.

    Uniting Europe won't work. We hate each other too much. Then you have wildly different national characteristics and attitudes and ... wait, *remembers US election...

    Maybe it could work.


    The Catalunians back in the day thought they'd have a better shot at joining the EU alone, because they feared the rest of Spain was viewed as being lazy.

    They were so proud to have the Olympics in Barcelona in '92 (I was there). They looked at it as their opportunity to emphasize their uniqueness to a world that probably wasn't even much aware of it (thanks Franco).

    And I say this as someone who speaks Castellano. I had never been to Catalunia and was surprised at how many people there refused to speak to me.
  • unlikely: Paris1127: La Mancha considers secession tilting at windmills.

    I thought La Mancha was part of Catalonia?

    /off to re-educate myself on geography...


    La Mancha is Castille.

    Diogenes: Slaxl: whistleridge: Catalonia, Scotland, Flanders, et al are making a historically serious mistake right now. Opting for small-state autonomy may be the 'right' short-term economical decision, but I predict it will come back to bite them in the ass later.

    Unless everyone does it, and they all federate into a US of Europe. Then it might work out.

    Uniting Europe won't work. We hate each other too much. Then you have wildly different national characteristics and attitudes and ... wait, *remembers US election...

    Maybe it could work.

    The Catalunians back in the day thought they'd have a better shot at joining the EU alone, because they feared the rest of Spain was viewed as being lazy.

    They were so proud to have the Olympics in Barcelona in '92 (I was there). They looked at it as their opportunity to emphasize their uniqueness to a world that probably wasn't even much aware of it (thanks Franco).

    And I say this as someone who speaks Castellano. I had never been to Catalunia and was surprised at how many people there refused to speak to me.


    Is Catalan similar at all to Spanish? I mean, I know they're both romance languages, but I'm under the impression that it's really a separate language from Castillian/Standard Spanish and not a dialect. Wikipedia has Catalan more closely related to Occitan (a French language) than to Castillian.
  • Paris1127: Is Catalan similar at all to Spanish? I mean, I know they're both romance languages, but I'm under the impression that it's really a separate language from Castillian/Standard Spanish and not a dialect. Wikipedia has Catalan more closely related to Occitan (a French language) than to Castillian.


    Significantly different. I have a much easier time with Latin American and Caribbean Spanish than I do with Catalan.
  • Didn't California already secede from Spain?
  • Paris1127: Is Catalan similar at all to Spanish? I mean, I know they're both romance languages, but I'm under the impression that it's really a separate language from Castillian/Standard Spanish and not a dialect. Wikipedia has Catalan more closely related to Occitan (a French language) than to Castillian.


    Heh. Catalan is to Spain as Quebec is to Canada.
  • Paris1127: La Mancha is Castille.


    So my new-found education in Spain's geography tells me.
    I love being able to admit I don't know something and then being willing to learn it.
    Makes me feel cool.

    Paris1127: Is Catalan similar at all to Spanish? I mean, I know they're both romance languages, but I'm under the impression that it's really a separate language from Castillian/Standard Spanish and not a dialect. Wikipedia has Catalan more closely related to Occitan (a French language) than to Castillian.


    When we were in Barcelona, I was the Italian and French speaker traveling with two Spanish speakers. I picked up the Catalan much more quickly than they did. Whenever I didn't know a word, I used the French word and if that wasn't right the Italian one worked. Written Catalan you pronounce like French - it even has the c-cedille that sounds like an S. Hello was still 'hola' but goodbye was "adieu" or something close.

    I don't speak Catalan was "no parlo el Catala" - probably the most useful. Strangely when I'd follow that with "vous parlez Francais?" they'd generally say "No... English?"
  • unlikely: Paris1127: Is Catalan similar at all to Spanish? I mean, I know they're both romance languages, but I'm under the impression that it's really a separate language from Castillian/Standard Spanish and not a dialect. Wikipedia has Catalan more closely related to Occitan (a French language) than to Castillian.

    When we were in Barcelona, I was the Italian and French speaker traveling with two Spanish speakers. I picked up the Catalan much more quickly than they did. Whenever I didn't know a word, I used the French word and if that wasn't right the Italian one worked. Written Catalan you pronounce like French - it even has the c-cedille that sounds like an S. Hello was still 'hola' but goodbye was "adieu" or something close.

    I don't speak Catalan was "no parlo el Catala" - probably the most useful. Strangely when I'd follow that with "vous parlez Francais?" they'd generally say "No... English?"


    I learned Italian quickly because A. I was in Italy and 2. I spoke French (shocking, I know). When I tried to learn German I found, as I'd expected, my efforts to use my French and Italian in vain. That the teacher was a biatch was also a factor in me giving up. I'm thinking Portuguese for my next language---if only because it's such a beautiful language (and hilarious with the right phrasebook). Portuguese would also be somewhat useful for Spain, as the language is very similar to Galician (they were originally the same language), and apparently Castillian-speakers and Portuguese-speakers can understand each other fairly well.
  • ArkAngel: Didn't California already secede from Spain?


    That was smart AND funny.
  • California is already on it's way to becoming the next Detroit Michigan. What with Hostess closing and Campbell leaving Sacramento... Goodbye, 18,000 jobs. San Francisco and LA will thrive but my home, Sac, the capital, is kind of screwed.

    Maybe we SHOULD secede.

    And I'm not terribly surprised about Spain. I don't think they e wanted to be part of the euro system for a while now.
  • Oh stop! You'll get the GOP all excited with that kind of talk...
  • ArkAngel: Didn't California already secede from Spain?


    Nice.
  • Well, looks like it's all been covered in the first few comments, nothing more to see here, move along.
  • Good to see the Europeans are still stuck on the idea that countries should be based on how your last name is spelled and where you go to church.

    So, Euro-farkers, what's the over-under on the chances of this one going full ethnic cleansing like the last few "separations"?
  • Just another case of the rich wanting to distance themselves from the poor.
  • Good for them, I hope they succeed.
  • Slaxl: Paris1127: Not a surprise, Spain is essentially a bunch of autonomous communities: Catalonians, Andalusians, Galicians, Basques, etc. La Mancha considers secession tilting at windmills. Elsewhere in Europe: stupid Flanders is even more serious about separating from Belgium and Scotland's going to vote on becoming its own country (but, ya know, with Elizabeth still as Queen). All Europe needs now is eastern Austria to split away, then they'd have another Vienna Secession.

    There are some cynics or perhaps even conspiracy theorists who note the connection in the rise of these separatist movements with the plan by the EU to divide itself into regions, rather than countries, after it federalizes, or to strip away national identity to make federalizing easier.

    /adjusts lead lined hat... tin foil is what the government hands out to keep them in your brainwaves.



    would that be a bad thing? I live in northern ky, I foremost consider myself a cincinnatian. do my panties get in a bunch that my city or state aren't their own soverign country? no. it's dumb. it's basically branding. who cares that much about branding. no one from texas is coming in to the nati and changing our chili because we are both in the same nation-state.
  • ArkAngel: Didn't California already secede from Spain?


    Paris1127: unlikely: Paris1127: Is Catalan similar at all to Spanish? I mean, I know they're both romance languages, but I'm under the impression that it's really a separate language from Castillian/Standard Spanish and not a dialect. Wikipedia has Catalan more closely related to Occitan (a French language) than to Castillian.

    When we were in Barcelona, I was the Italian and French speaker traveling with two Spanish speakers. I picked up the Catalan much more quickly than they did. Whenever I didn't know a word, I used the French word and if that wasn't right the Italian one worked. Written Catalan you pronounce like French - it even has the c-cedille that sounds like an S. Hello was still 'hola' but goodbye was "adieu" or something close.

    I don't speak Catalan was "no parlo el Catala" - probably the most useful. Strangely when I'd follow that with "vous parlez Francais?" they'd generally say "No... English?"

    I learned Italian quickly because A. I was in Italy and 2. I spoke French (shocking, I know). When I tried to learn German I found, as I'd expected, my efforts to use my French and Italian in vain. That the teacher was a biatch was also a factor in me giving up. I'm thinking Portuguese for my next language---if only because it's such a beautiful language (and hilarious with the right phrasebook). Portuguese would also be somewhat useful for Spain, as the language is very similar to Galician (they were originally the same language), and apparently Castillian-speakers and Portuguese-speakers can understand each other fairly well.


    It's like Spain, Portugal and France were once part of some vast empire or something with a common language....
  • This is what democracy looks like!

    Since the USA is not very federalist, we have to deal with one side or the other pissing off the other side.

    While there are pockets of liberalism everyone, and same for conservatism, we could be a happier USA if we split into two countries, peacefully, one federalist and limited and the other socialist and expansive.

    I don't see what the problem is, other than folks trying to run the lives of people who disagree.
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