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    /I'm sure it's just a glitch.
  • Mentat: [imageshack.us image 408x278]

    /I'm sure it's just a glitch.


    Some laws of Systems Engineering:
    1) Complex systems always fail when you demo them for upper management.
    2) All bugs go away when you show it to someone smarter than you.
  • Yeah, and?

    You can already report via kiosk; why not pay via kiosk? If it works, great. If it doesn't, it's no different from all the idiots who already don't pay their restitution because they have to buy a 54" plasma screen TV this week.
  • Mellow greetings. What seems to be your boggle?
  • Why are we concerned for making life convenient for those assholes?
  • EZ Pay convenience comes at a price, though. Customers are charged a $2.99 transaction fee to use the kiosk in Warminster.

    It's like the old saying: crime doesn't pay once you factor in service fees and associated transaction charges.
  • Mentat: [imageshack.us image 408x278]

    /I'm sure it's just a glitch.


    I think you'd better do what he says, Mr. Subby.
  • crabsno termites: Why are we concerned for making life convenient for those assholes?


    Because it will save taxpayers dollars?

    Or are you into the whole "cut off your nose to spite your face" flavor of "tough on crime"?
  • It'd be way cooler if you could order up some crime from it instead. Larceny with a side of grand theft, plz.
  • crabsno termites: Why are we concerned for making life convenient for those assholes?


    Short answer: because the effect of that "convenience" will be to increase the payment of court costs and criminal fines. Dude, if you're getting off on how someone had to wait in line to pay their court costs on top of the six months they spent in County, you're just messed up.

    More answer: because having a machine do this will mean they can replace the staff that normally counts the money. I'll prove it by quoting from the article: "'We certainly don't see this as a way to replacing people," he added."

    Admittedly, many Farkers would want to see both criminals and municipal employees take it in the shorts, but you can't have everything.
  • Couldn't we have just made a web site (that didn't depend on someone being at a specific time and place) to more easily and cheaply take their money?

    I'm all for making it convenient to recoup costs from the convicted.
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    Umm, yeah, can you let the judge know I'm gonna have to be a little late this month....

    /so, we good?
  • semiotix: crabsno termites: Why are we concerned for making life convenient for those assholes?

    Short answer: because the effect of that "convenience" will be to increase the payment of court costs and criminal fines. Dude, if you're getting off on how someone had to wait in line to pay their court costs on top of the six months they spent in County, you're just messed up.

    More answer: because having a machine do this will mean they can replace the staff that normally counts the money. I'll prove it by quoting from the article: "'We certainly don't see this as a way to replacing people," he added."

    Admittedly, many Farkers would want to see both criminals and municipal employees take it in the shorts, but you can't have everything.


    Even more answer: Because most of those "assholes" are nothing more than petty drug offenders, shoplifters and other minor offenders whose crimes consist of missing their court date because they had to pick up their kids at day care or the bus was late (or they're just clueless and forgot they had 48 hours to meet with their probation officer). And because the probation office is only open M-Th 9-5 and Friday 9-4 nowadays, and people sometimes have to choose between keeping their minimum-wage job or reporting to their PO, or taking their kids out of school for a day so they can report. Go to any probation office and you'll see rows of moms and dads with kids who should be in class so they can meet with their PO or pay their monthly restitution.

    I for one would just as soon people could report via kiosk 24/7 if it makes it possible for them to do it on weekends or after 5 p.m. during the week; keeps them out of the lockup and lets them keep their crappy jobs so they don't get violated or another bench warrant. Anything to keep the courts less crowded and the jails less full. Sorry if that makes life easier for these "assholes" as you say; but I recommend you do a few days work down at the probation office before you pass judgement on the poor fools who have to report every month.
  • SinPiEqualsZero: Couldn't we have just made a web site (that didn't depend on someone being at a specific time and place) to more easily and cheaply take their money?


    The short answer is that there are a small number of people who:

    • don't have internet at their homes (or don't have homes), and/or
    • don't live or work anywhere near a library, and/or
    • don't have checking accounts or bank cards, and/or
    • genuinely cannot operate a computer well enough to make that kind of transaction happen.

    So, for these folks--who hopefully are too busy during the workday to take three busses to pay their fines in person--a dead-simple machine that swallows envelopes full of cash is a good thing.

    There aren't too many people like that, but there are a HELL of a lot more of them than you might think, and they are VASTLY overrepresented in the ranks of people who have to pay court costs and restitution, for reasons that, depending on your political orientation, are either completely obvious or one of the Great Coincidences of the Universe.
  • Dallas had a low tech version of this twelve years ago. I got popped urinating in public in Deep Ellum and had to pay $150 fine, went to city hall or whatever that place was and was able to pop my citation and fine in an envelope into a little lock box.

    I wish I would have been able to pay that someplace outside of downtown. I had to pay to park for something that took 15 minutes. I bet they have an online method now but I'm not going out of my way to find out.

    I remember seeing that Los Angeles had a kiosk years ago to pay traffic citations. Of course, that was part of their scheme to increase revenues by issuing tickets to people stuck in traffic.
  • Tr0mBoNe: Some laws of Systems Engineering:
    1) Complex systems always fail when you demo them for upper management.
    2) All bugs go away when you show it to someone smarter than you.


    I must say, these two laws have always proved to be true in my life.
  • ciberido: crabsno termites: Why are we concerned for making life convenient for those assholes?

    Because it will save taxpayers dollars?

    Or are you into the whole "cut off your nose to spite your face" flavor of "tough on crime"?


    Nah, but it has been too stormy this last wek to take my bot out so I'm here on Fark.
  • semiotix: crabsno termites: Why are we concerned for making life convenient for those assholes?

    Short answer: because the effect of that "convenience" will be to increase the payment of court costs and criminal fines. Dude, if you're getting off on how someone had to wait in line to pay their court costs on top of the six months they spent in County, you're just messed up.

    More answer: because having a machine do this will mean they can replace the staff that normally counts the money. I'll prove it by quoting from the article: "'We certainly don't see this as a way to replacing people," he added."

    Admittedly, many Farkers would want to see both criminals and municipal employees take it in the shorts, but you can't have everything.


    So, add a machine, don't reduce staff = savings?
  • wildcardjack: I got popped urinating in public in Deep Ellum


    Ah, a sex offender! Well, at least you paid your debt to society, so all is forgiven.

    Now, according to the terms of your sentence, please take up residence no less than ten miles from any daycare, elementary or secondary school, or place where children congregate. Your options are Death Valley and low earth orbit. Both are rather dry, so remember to stay hydrated.
  • I hope some kid isn't turned into an orphan by some midget with a gun in Crime Kiosk.
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    buffet diner:Meals On Wheels
    crime kiosk:?
  • "What are you hear for?"
    "Parking tickets. You?"
    "Restitution for a felony. And you back there?"
    "Public lewdness fine."
  • crabsno termites: "week" " boat"


    Have a huge pot of potato soup on the stove (most going in the freezer) and don't want to scorch it, so don't spellcheck.

    /With bacon goodness.

    //Love me some "tater soup with bacon.
  • crabsno termites: So, add a machine, don't reduce staff = savings?


    If the machine increases the number of payments, then... yeah, savings. Whether or not they lay off a few clerical workers.

    Reducing the public workforce is probably not a great idea for this or any other county. Private sector job growth compared to just before the 2008 recession has been net positive, which means that the net negative job growth we have since then is 100% accounted for by public sector layoffs. (In other words: if we just go back to the socialistic days of that commie George W. Bush, we'd have net job growth!) And it's not like there aren't other things that these employees could be working on that would be good for all concerned.

    But, if I'm right, and "we're totally not going to fire people!" means "we are just about ready to fire people!", then... yeah, even more savings to the municipal budget.
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