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  • Can somebody smarter than me (read: all of you) explain how this means WWIII? I skimmed the article and it looked like they just included a couple of islands that didn't want to be known as China.
  • jaylectricity: Can somebody smarter than me (read: all of you) explain how this means WWIII? I skimmed the article and it looked like they just included a couple of islands that didn't want to be known as China.


    I think we're bound to defend Japan via treaties signed post-WWII, and we're politically obligated to back up Taiwan. Ergo if the Chinese attacks either one, we could be drawn into the fracas.

    Not sure Europe would get involved though, so it would be more like trans-Pacific war II.
  • FTA

    Vietnam's government lodged a formal complaint with the Chinese embassy in Hanoi.

    That is like slapping a lady who sucked you off
  • cman: FTA

    Vietnam's government lodged a formal complaint with the Chinese embassy in Hanoi.

    That is like slapping a lady who sucked you off


    China and Vietnam have a complex relationship... The Vietnamese really don't like China, at least that's what it seems. While the relationship started out well, with China aiding North Vietnam during the American War (as they call it), it soured when China invaded the country in '79. Hanoi had a closer relationship with Moscow than with Beijing, and Beijing thought Hanoi was involved in a Soviet conspiracy to surround China.
  • Way to include a picture of said passport map.
  • They're just compensating for their small penises.
  • Paris1127: cman: FTA

    Vietnam's government lodged a formal complaint with the Chinese embassy in Hanoi.

    That is like slapping a lady who sucked you off

    China and Vietnam have a complex relationship... The Vietnamese really don't like China, at least that's what it seems. While the relationship started out well, with China aiding North Vietnam during the American War (as they call it), it soured when China invaded the country in '79. Hanoi had a closer relationship with Moscow than with Beijing, and Beijing thought Hanoi was involved in a Soviet conspiracy to surround China.


    IIRC the relationship wasn't that good even before '79. I remember reading that during the Vietnam War China was stealing supplies that the USSR was sending to Vietnam when the trains stopped in China.
  • Ah well. It ain't the first time 'merikuh was tardy for a world war cuz they slept in. Amirite?
  • I'm not worried. I just played through Fallout 3 Operation: Anchorage again, so my skills are sharp.
  • Paris1127: cman: FTA

    Vietnam's government lodged a formal complaint with the Chinese embassy in Hanoi.

    That is like slapping a lady who sucked you off

    China and Vietnam have a complex relationship... The Vietnamese really don't like China, at least that's what it seems. While the relationship started out well, with China aiding North Vietnam during the American War (as they call it), it soured when China invaded the country in '79. Hanoi had a closer relationship with Moscow than with Beijing, and Beijing thought Hanoi was involved in a Soviet conspiracy to surround China.


    There's a reason the military in Myanmar decided to give democracy a chance. They've literally been begging for several years to be let in the US sphere of influence so that China doesn't suck them dry.

    And it scares me that despite all our faults, China is bad enough to provoke this response in far-off lands. The countries around China are all terrified of what closer economic relations with Beijing would bring them.
  • Dang, they sure know how to dial it all the way up to XI.

  • jaylectricity: Can somebody smarter than me (read: all of you) explain how this means WWIII? I skimmed the article and it looked like they just included a couple of islands that didn't want to be known as China.


    Let's just say that the USA is building a military base in Australia just because of those "couple of islands". Read here.

    And those "couple of islands" are enough to grant the country that controls them the rights to significant deposits of minerals, oil, and gas, not to mention fisheries. read here.

    World wars have been fought for less.
  • Paris1127: cman: FTA

    Vietnam's government lodged a formal complaint with the Chinese embassy in Hanoi.

    That is like slapping a lady who sucked you off

    China and Vietnam have a complex relationship... The Vietnamese really don't like China, at least that's what it seems. While the relationship started out well, with China aiding North Vietnam during the American War (as they call it), it soured when China invaded the country in '79. Hanoi had a closer relationship with Moscow than with Beijing, and Beijing thought Hanoi was involved in a Soviet conspiracy to surround China.


    It also didn't help relations when post-war Vietnam purged its ethnically Chinese population using boats in what was described as "a seagoing Final Solution."
  • They did the same thing with Tibet. Included it on maps of China based on ridiculous thousands of year old claims. So they know this works, it only takes a few generations.
  • Marcus Aurelius: jaylectricity: Can somebody smarter than me (read: all of you) explain how this means WWIII? I skimmed the article and it looked like they just included a couple of islands that didn't want to be known as China.

    I think we're bound to defend Japan via treaties signed post-WWII, and we're politically obligated to back up Taiwan. Ergo if the Chinese attacks either one, we could be drawn into the fracas.

    Not sure Europe would get involved though, so it would be more like trans-Pacific war II.


    Well from the Chinese pov everything west of Beijing is historically Chinese land, since the Mongol Empire made it into Russia and Turkey, Europe will be involved.
  • By the logic they're using, next thing you know, they will be claiming North America because they beat Columbus to the New World by 70 years.

    Link
  • gilatrout

    2012-11-23 12:40:25 PM

    Dang, they sure know how to dial it all the way up to XI.


    I think you mean dial up to "shi yi".

    It's funny how everyone mentions Japan and Taiwan on these things but no one mentions we also have a mutual defense treaty with the Philippines, which arguebly would be triggered in a war with China if you guys don't pussy out and say "oh well the Spratleys are really Chinese territory". Not to mention a fairly close relationship in terms of history (former colony for roughly 50 years), its a democracy and 6 billion dollars worth of investment.

    And if friendship doesn't mean much to you, then maybe we should mention there is oil deposits there. Lots of it. Good luck in negotiating with the Chinese for drill rights.
  • jjorsett: Paris1127: cman: FTA

    Vietnam's government lodged a formal complaint with the Chinese embassy in Hanoi.

    That is like slapping a lady who sucked you off

    China and Vietnam have a complex relationship... The Vietnamese really don't like China, at least that's what it seems. While the relationship started out well, with China aiding North Vietnam during the American War (as they call it), it soured when China invaded the country in '79. Hanoi had a closer relationship with Moscow than with Beijing, and Beijing thought Hanoi was involved in a Soviet conspiracy to surround China.

    It also didn't help relations when post-war Vietnam purged its ethnically Chinese population using boats in what was described as "a seagoing Final Solution."


    When we were briefly in Vietnam, I was surprised by the anti-Chinese sentiment since the Chinese had ostensibly been their ally during what is referred to their as the American war. It was a very interesting a different point of view to me, when the guide explained that the Vietnamese people resented being put in a position of needing China as an ally. Vietnam struck me as the most capitalist place I'd ever seen. The guide went on to explain that I was witnessing a much improved situation after a Vietnamese struggle to emerge from excessive influence by the Chinese government and the hardliners the Chinese endorsed.

    I did not, however, witness, anti-Chinese sentiment directed towards individuals who had immigrated into Vietnam. On the contrary, a Chinese business district was pointed out and we were urged to check it out and eat Chinese. The immigrants from China were described as extremely hardworking and an asset to Vietnam.

    We also were taken by "the best strip club in Vietnam" which was hilarious because we were a bus full of families with young children. After his effusive praise, the guide turned around to a bus full of grim looking moms with expressions kind of like or :/ or :{ and his voice just trailed off.
  • Lunaville: jjorsett: Paris1127: cman: FTA

    Vietnam's government lodged a formal complaint with the Chinese embassy in Hanoi.

    That is like slapping a lady who sucked you off

    China and Vietnam have a complex relationship... The Vietnamese really don't like China, at least that's what it seems. While the relationship started out well, with China aiding North Vietnam during the American War (as they call it), it soured when China invaded the country in '79. Hanoi had a closer relationship with Moscow than with Beijing, and Beijing thought Hanoi was involved in a Soviet conspiracy to surround China.

    It also didn't help relations when post-war Vietnam purged its ethnically Chinese population using boats in what was described as "a seagoing Final Solution."

    When we were briefly in Vietnam, I was surprised by the anti-Chinese sentiment since the Chinese had ostensibly been their ally during what is referred to theirthere as the American war. It was a very interesting and different point of view to me, when the guide explained that the Vietnamese people resented being put in a position of needing China as an ally. Vietnam struck me as the most capitalist place I'd ever seen. The guide went on to explain that I was witnessing a much improved situation after a Vietnamese struggle to emerge from excessive influence by the Chinese government and the hardliners the Chinese endorsed.

    I did not, however, witness, anti-Chinese sentiment directed towards individuals who had immigrated into Vietnam. On the contrary, a Chinese business district was pointed out and we were urged to check it out and eat Chinese. The immigrants from China were described as extremely hardworking and an asset to Vietnam.

    We also were taken by "the best strip club in Vietnam" which was hilarious because we were a bus full of families with young children. After his effusive praise, the guide turned around to a bus full of grim looking moms with expressions kind of like or :/ or :{ and his voice just trailed off.


    I'm sorry, I seem to be having some sort of stroke that exclusively affects my ability to communicate in standard English.
  • whither_apophis: Marcus Aurelius: jaylectricity: Can somebody smarter than me (read: all of you) explain how this means WWIII? I skimmed the article and it looked like they just included a couple of islands that didn't want to be known as China.

    I think we're bound to defend Japan via treaties signed post-WWII, and we're politically obligated to back up Taiwan. Ergo if the Chinese attacks either one, we could be drawn into the fracas.

    Not sure Europe would get involved though, so it would be more like trans-Pacific war II.

    Well from the Chinese pov everything west of Beijing is historically Chinese land, since the Mongol Empire made it into Russia and Turkey, Europe will be involved.


    From the traditional Chinese POV, almost everything is China.

    Remember, that in Imperial China, the Emperor was considered to hold the "mandate of Heaven" to rule everything. Foreign kings were not seen as rulers in their own right, but as potentates who ruled by the grace and permission of the Emperor. Ambassadors visiting China were not seen as envoys of other countries, but as the messengers from the most distant parts of the Empire.

    Only the massive, and fairly humiliating, smack-downs they got in the 19th century from the British really started to dull the idea that China was the one true sovereign ruler of the world, but the idea is still ingrained pretty deeply into Chinese political thought. If not the entire world, then certainly every place the Chinese Empire had any contact with or ever bothered to travel is something they though of as "part of China".

    Pretty much any country that ever had diplomatic ties to Imperial-era China is something China could make a hazy claim of being "part of China" based on how they sent envoys to the Imperial court to pay homage to the Emperor and receive Imperial sanction and blessing for their own rulers.
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  • Spare Me

    2012-11-23 01:10:59 PM

    By the logic they're using, next thing you know, they will be claiming North America because they beat Columbus to the New World by 70 years.

    Link


    Ah yes, Galvin Menzies. The great fiction writer. Pretty soon he'll claim that the Chinese were contracted to build the Incan pyramids.
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