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  • That, and the IKEA Catalog has become the most printed book ever, overtaking the Bible.

    Everybody panic!
  • if Sweden didn't have well-endowed, leggy blondes, it would be recognized to be just a cog in the German supply chain.
  • so... real dolls and fake penises?
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    From TFA: A comparison between this year's Toys R Us catalogues in Sweden and Denmark, where Top Toy is also the franchisee, showed that a boy wielding a toy machine gun in the Danish edition had been replaced by a girl in Sweden.

    Elsewhere, a girl was photoshopped out of the Hello Kitty page, a girl holding a baby doll was replaced by a boy, and, in sister chain BR's catalogue, a young girl's pink T-shirt was turned light blue.


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  • That, and the IKEA Catalog has become the most printed book ever, overtaking the Bible.

    If anything, it's a magazine.


    Anyway, buy kids Legos, not lame dolls or sad little plastic guns. With good toys, they can make their own dolls and guns.
  • It's one thing to make gender neutral catalogues. It's another thing entirely to actively encourage boys to act like girls, and girls to act like boys. Add this together with the weird stories about using new gender-neutral pronouns, and childcare centers encouraging children to play house in combos of boy-boy, girl-girl, boy-boy-girl and other weird stuff, Sweden is going to have an extremely confused generation of children soon who have no idea what the hell they are.
  • Moosecakes: It's one thing to make gender neutral catalogues. It's another thing entirely to actively encourage boys to act like girls, and girls to act like boys. Add this together with the weird stories about using new gender-neutral pronouns, and childcare centers encouraging children to play house in combos of boy-boy, girl-girl, boy-boy-girl and other weird stuff, Sweden is going to have an extremely confused generation of children soon who have no idea what the hell they are.


    ... or an extremely empowered generation of children who understand that they can do anything they want, regardless of what some uptight jackoff with a holy book thinks.
  • RandomAxe: That, and the IKEA Catalog has become the most printed book ever, overtaking the Bible.

    If anything, it's a magazine.


    Anyway, buy kids Legos, not lame dolls or sad little plastic guns. With good toys, they can make their own dolls and guns.


    Swedish nationalists frown upon your Shenanigans.

    /Legos are Danish
    //Danes and Swedes don't get along very well
  • Why does anyone care?

    My mom dressed me as a girl when I was very young; look how I turned out!

    Wait.....maybe I'm not the best example
  • Theaetetus: ... or an extremely empowered generation of children who understand that they can do anything they want, regardless of what some uptight jackoff with a holy book thinks.


    Anything they want, as long as it is approved by the social engineers.
  • Theaetetus: Moosecakes: It's one thing to make gender neutral catalogues. It's another thing entirely to actively encourage boys to act like girls, and girls to act like boys. Add this together with the weird stories about using new gender-neutral pronouns, and childcare centers encouraging children to play house in combos of boy-boy, girl-girl, boy-boy-girl and other weird stuff, Sweden is going to have an extremely confused generation of children soon who have no idea what the hell they are.

    ... or an extremely empowered generation of children who understand that they can do anything they want, regardless of what some uptight jackoff with a holy book thinks.


    Yeah, because people today have real hard time right understanding they can do anything they want, don't they Ru Paul.

    Just another solution lacking a real problem. I bet there's a wrist band for it.
  • One of the few things I'm really looking forward to in fatherhood will be an excuse to buy up hordes of lego for my kids, regardless of their gender. I loved those little carpet caltrops!
  • beta_plus: Swedish nationalists frown upon your Shenanigans.

    /Legos are Danish
    //Danes and Swedes don't get along very well


    A) I find it hard to believe they're so stupid as to have neither Legos nor Swedish Imitation Legos

    B) Gender neutrality + nationalist stupidity that penalizes children = stupidity

    So you got your pick, there. BUT there are lots of build-stuff-yourself toys. I like Legos, but it doesn't have to be Legos.
  • Keep farking that chicken.
  • GORDON: Theaetetus: Moosecakes: It's one thing to make gender neutral catalogues. It's another thing entirely to actively encourage boys to act like girls, and girls to act like boys. Add this together with the weird stories about using new gender-neutral pronouns, and childcare centers encouraging children to play house in combos of boy-boy, girl-girl, boy-boy-girl and other weird stuff, Sweden is going to have an extremely confused generation of children soon who have no idea what the hell they are.

    ... or an extremely empowered generation of children who understand that they can do anything they want, regardless of what some uptight jackoff with a holy book thinks.

    Yeah, because people today have real hard time right understanding they can do anything they want, don't they Ru Paul.

    Just another solution lacking a real problem. I bet there's a wrist band for it.


    Know how I know you don't have kids?

    I was lucky enough to be raised by hippy, PhD wielding teachers, who fully embraced a gender neutral upbringing for me and my sisters. I've followed in the same fashion with my children and this solution that lacks a problem only yields compassionate and confident children. Without worrying about how others perceive you, especially during the hormonally tumultuous time of adolescents my self, my siblings and my children were/are able to cut though the bullshiat of how people perceive and judge you based on your appearance and societal expectations and instead focus on school and extracurriculars. I can honestly say I had a blast being a dorky, one of the guys girls in high school, I wouldn't change it for the world.

    Mind you children will socialize in-spite of your best efforts, but when they come home and aren't pressured to be masculine or feminine and can talk about how ridiculous it all is, and laugh at how seriously their peers take fitting into preconceived boxes I will never regret the decision my husband and I made for our children.
  • Awesome!

    Moosecakes: It's one thing to make gender neutral catalogues. It's another thing entirely to actively encourage boys to act like girls, and girls to act like boys. Add this together with the weird stories about using new gender-neutral pronouns, and childcare centers encouraging children to play house in combos of boy-boy, girl-girl, boy-boy-girl and other weird stuff, Sweden is going to have an extremely confused generation of children soon who have no idea what the hell they are.


    How about we just encourage people to be whoever they are? If they're a boy who likes dolls, well, that's fine. If they're a boy who likes trucks, that's OK, too. If they're a girl who likes trucks, that's fine. If they're a girl who likes dolls, that's OK, too.

    I don't think it's OK to impose a gender role upon a kid, whether it's the one for the sex the child is or the opposite one. It's 2012. We should beyond this crap already.
  • shivashakti: We should beyond this crap already.


    Whoops. Meant to type "We should BE beyond this crap already."
  • Kids come with these notions in their head by default. I never stated anything against homosexuals in front of my children, the opposite really, but my daughter came to the conclusion that it was yucky to be gay. The prospect of me marrying my female Skyrim character to another female was gross, not quite repulsive but she was adamant that it was wrong. I explained to her that a lot of people are just born like that, but she kept complaining until I changed it. I've found this behavior interesting, she's genuinely a sweet little girl with no ill will towards gays but she finds the behavior quite confusing. In Skyrim, instead of running around killing dragons and leveling up armor, she spends time adopting children for her mansion she's able to customize, and courting a husband. No role model in real life displays this type of behavior for her to mimmic, this is just what she is magnetized toward.

    I think the uneasiness towards homosexuality (or boys playing with girls toys-type behavior) is a very natural thing for children if they weren't raised around those type of people. The gay behavior is out of the norm, and so it can be confusing at first for them to understand, because they aren't old enough to understand relationships. I initially wanted to scold her for saying statements like "homosexuality is gross", if it was a contemporary acquaintance I'd probably tell them to grow up. But it really just is that deep in their bones. The acceptance of "some boys act like girls" or vice versa will have to occur when they are old enough to start understanding relationships.
  • RandomAxe: beta_plus: Swedish nationalists frown upon your Shenanigans.

    /Legos are Danish
    //Danes and Swedes don't get along very well

    A) I find it hard to believe they're so stupid as to have neither Legos nor Swedish Imitation Legos

    B) Gender neutrality + nationalist stupidity that penalizes children = stupidity

    So you got your pick, there. BUT there are lots of build-stuff-yourself toys. I like Legos, but it doesn't have to be Legos.


    I'm just giving you a hard time, but you'd be surprised the nasty stuff they say about each other.

    /fellow lover of Legos
  • RandomAxe: That, and the IKEA Catalog has become the most printed book ever, overtaking the Bible.

    If anything, it's a magazine.


    Anyway, buy kids Legos, not lame dolls or sad little plastic guns. With good toys, they can make their own dolls and guns.


    "Good" toys being band saws, drill presses, and belt sanders.
  • Why do some people INSIST that we treat boys/girls the EXACT same? They aren't exactly the same. The majority of kids fall into traditional gender rolls. Nothing wrong with that. There's definitely a sub-section of the population who buck tradition. Nothing wrong with that, either.

    But why not advertise to the majority? You'll marginalize the minority, I suppose. But as long as we all teach our children understanding and acceptance and as long as we try to educate in the presence of ignorance... what's the problem?

    It's either that or try and shoehorn everyone into the same mold. So either a small minority of people don't "fit" the mold or EVERYONE doesn't fit. Which sounds more reasonable?
  • DrewCurtisJr: Theaetetus: ... or an extremely empowered generation of children who understand that they can do anything they want, regardless of what some uptight jackoff with a holy book thinks.

    Anything they want, as long as it is approved by the social engineers.


    Which ones? If telling boys that it's okay to play with dolls and telling girls that it's okay to play with guns is "social engineering," then (a) isn't telling boys that it's okay to play with guns and telling girls that it's okay to play with dolls also social engineering, and (b) aren't you admitting that social engineering already exists and has an effect on kids?

    There's a story on the Sociological Images blog about this homework assignment, in which 8 year olds were instructed to categorize toys by "boys", "girls", and "both"... And this one girl failed, because she put too many things in the "both" category:
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    Isn't that social engineering?
  • D_Evans45: Kids come with these notions in their head by default. I never stated anything against homosexuals in front of my children, the opposite really, but my daughter came to the conclusion that it was yucky to be gay. The prospect of me marrying my female Skyrim character to another female was gross, not quite repulsive but she was adamant that it was wrong. I explained to her that a lot of people are just born like that, but she kept complaining until I changed it. I've found this behavior interesting, she's genuinely a sweet little girl with no ill will towards gays but she finds the behavior quite confusing. In Skyrim, instead of running around killing dragons and leveling up armor, she spends time adopting children for her mansion she's able to customize, and courting a husband. No role model in real life displays this type of behavior for her to mimmic, this is just what she is magnetized toward.

    I think the uneasiness towards homosexuality (or boys playing with girls toys-type behavior) is a very natural thing for children if they weren't raised around those type of people. The gay behavior is out of the norm, and so it can be confusing at first for them to understand, because they aren't old enough to understand relationships. I initially wanted to scold her for saying statements like "homosexuality is gross", if it was a contemporary acquaintance I'd probably tell them to grow up. But it really just is that deep in their bones. The acceptance of "some boys act like girls" or vice versa will have to occur when they are old enough to start understanding relationships.


    Yes, because your daughter could never get an idea in her head that didn't come from you. She obviously doesn't go to a school where "gay" is a generic term of abuse that kids throw around even before they know what it means (or at least, that's how it was in my day). This aversion to homosexuality has no other explanation than some kind of innate disgust. She certainly doesn't live in a youth culture that has an intense pressure to conform and tends to ostracise random groups of people it labels as outsiders.

    /Don't worry, in a few year's she'll probably end up "practice kissing" with her girlfriends
    //which isn't gay of course, cos it's just practice
  • D_Evans45: Kids come with these notions in their head by default. I never stated anything against homosexuals in front of my children, the opposite really, but my daughter came to the conclusion that it was yucky to be gay.


    And your daughter doesn't go to school, watch television, or otherwise interact with anyone except you? Come on.
  • Honest Bender: Why do some people INSIST that we treat boys/girls the EXACT same? They aren't exactly the same. The majority of kids fall into traditional gender rolls. Nothing wrong with that. There's definitely a sub-section of the population who buck tradition. Nothing wrong with that, either.


    It's not all sewn into the DNA. Culture plays a big part too.
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