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  • This judge should be immediately removed from office by whatever means necessary.
  • Actually, according to TFA, the "moral commitment" thing was part of the firing rules - the applicant makes a "moral commitment" to stay for a year no matter what, but the judge can fire the person at will at any time.

    Farking bastard. And desperate lawyers who would farking KILL for a federal clerking gig will do it. Only the ones who can afford to be without a salary, though. So, rich kids with connections.
  • Supply and demand at play, folks

    When you have a large pool vying for few positions employers really dont have to offer you shiat. There really isn't anything that can be done about that.
  • Kinda funny its happening to lawyers. I'm trying to feel some outrage....really
  • It's freaking wrong - even if it is happening to lawyers. Acceptance of this moving through a few hundred iterations over then next few years means that any meaningful career begins with a year (or two or more eventually) of unpaid servitude.
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  • Unpaid internships stop being cool after college.
  • So now a walmart worker is worth more than a lawyer. Because a fed judge isnt going to want some fresh grad for his bidding. Time to unionize.
  • Fizpez: It's freaking wrong - even if it is happening to lawyers. Acceptance of this moving through a few hundred iterations over then next few years means that any meaningful career begins with a year (or two or more eventually) of unpaid servitude.


    I have not heard a single good argument why people should be paid wages at all. Wages inhibit the ability of the job creators to provide prosperity. Why should someone be obliged to provide a living wage if someone will scrub the coal mines for free?
  • Translation: only law students who started off rich enough to pay for law school and their living expenses out of pocket need apply.

    Translation of the translation: go be poor in some other judge's chambers.

    Unpaid internships of any sort are shiatty. This is the shiatty kind of shiatty, because the person who gets a clerkship with a federal judge is actually going to have a huge practical advantage over the person who doesn't.

    ...Which brings me to the mordant punch line: Before becoming a federal judge, William Martinez was a lawyer for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

    Ha, well, so was Clarence Thomas.
  • I wish colleges would tell their students that despite having a degree in a specific field, it doesn't mean they're all worth hiring. Some people are academically capable, but practically ineffective. it's like an apathetic individual with a Psychology degree lamenting that they're not getting any job offers.
  • Fizpez: It's freaking wrong - even if it is happening to lawyers. Acceptance of this moving through a few hundred iterations over then next few years means that any meaningful career begins with a year (or two or more eventually) of unpaid servitude.


    The problem is that if this becomes a common occurrence why would any employers keep people on after that initial free work period when they can just fire them and hire on someone else who will work for another year for free.

    Sure one could argue that you get what you paid for but after having worked for a large cell phone company for several years I witnessed first hand that management doesn't care about quality of service.
  • Benevolent Misanthrope: Actually, according to TFA, the "moral commitment" thing was part of the firing rules - the applicant makes a "moral commitment" to stay for a year no matter what, but the judge can fire the person at will at any time.

    Farking bastard. And desperate lawyers who would farking KILL for a federal clerking gig will do it. Only the ones who can afford to be without a salary, though. So, rich kids with connections.


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    /Agreed
  • In the new America employers would rather hire those who don't *need* the job as those workers are invariably less motivated by wages and more motivated by doing what they want to do/are good at. Would you rather have a lawyer who is stressed about about paying off their student loans or one who can devote all their time to innovating ways to increase billable hours?

    It may not be fair, but it is sound business.
  • Utter predation. Totally reprehensible.
  • First off it is my understanding that the federal judiciary is exempt from most federal and state labor laws (actually the governments is exempt from most codes and laws)

    Secondly given that there are several hundred extraordinary qualified applicants for every opening I see nothing wrong with this. This is not in place of the paid positions, this is an extra opportunity beyond that. If you can't afford to take the unpaid position then apply for the 2 paid openings. Given the prestige to the openings and the doors it opens I am not going to shed a tear over the 125k a year they will make at a firm after this.
  • que.guero: In the new America employers would rather hire those who don't *need* the job as those workers are invariably less motivated by wages and more motivated by doing what they want to do/are good at. Would you rather have a lawyer who is stressed about about paying off their student loans or one who can devote all their time to innovating ways to increase billable hours?

    It may not be fair, but it is sound business.


    Cuz being born wealthy makes someone a brilliant, selfless innovator.
  • Valarius: So now a walmart worker is worth more than a lawyer. Because a fed judge isnt going to want some fresh grad for his bidding. Time to unionize.


    I must have missed that memo. When were lawyers ever worth more than a Walmart worker?
  • jaytkay: que.guero: In the new America employers would rather hire those who don't *need* the job as those workers are invariably less motivated by wages and more motivated by doing what they want to do/are good at. Would you rather have a lawyer who is stressed about about paying off their student loans or one who can devote all their time to innovating ways to increase billable hours?

    It may not be fair, but it is sound business.

    Cuz being born wealthy makes someone a brilliant, selfless innovator.


    Why do you blame employers for you not being born wealthy?
  • Unpaid Internships = Jobs for kids of wealthy parents only.

    Very effective at keeping children of the poors from getting entry level experience in well paying careers
  • As a 2011 jd, I'm getting a kick.

    Wait, no I'm not.
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