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  • The militant wing of the Salvation Army called up for service? Jesus this is not good news
  • The Salvation Army's "Position Statement" on homosexuality, found on its Web site, reads in part: "The Salvation Army does not consider same-sex orientation blameworthy in itself. Homosexual conduct, like heterosexual conduct, requires individual responsibility and must be guided by the light of scriptural teaching. Scripture forbids sexual intimacy between members of the same sex. The Salvation Army believes, therefore, that Christians whose sexual orientation is primarily or exclusively same-sex are called upon to embrace celibacy as a way of life."

    What a crock of shiat. If you believe it's a sin, it's a sin. Whether a sin in the mind or a sin in the flesh is irrelevant.

    If you believe gays are sinners, then at least be consistent with your ideals. Don't do a carve out because you think gay sex is icky. "We hate gays but we can deal if they just remain invisible."

    /gay sinner
  • Diogenes: The Salvation Army's "Position Statement" on homosexuality, found on its Web site, reads in part: "The Salvation Army does not consider same-sex orientation blameworthy in itself. Homosexual conduct, like heterosexual conduct, requires individual responsibility and must be guided by the light of scriptural teaching. Scripture forbids sexual intimacy between members of the same sex. The Salvation Army believes, therefore, that Christians whose sexual orientation is primarily or exclusively same-sex are called upon to embrace celibacy as a way of life."

    What a crock of shiat. If you believe it's a sin, it's a sin. Whether a sin in the mind or a sin in the flesh is irrelevant.

    If you believe gays are sinners, then at least be consistent with your ideals. Don't do a carve out because you think gay sex is icky. "We hate gays but we can deal if they just remain invisible."

    /gay sinner


    I could be wrong, but from what I gathered, they say that being homosexual is in our human nature; it is choice of intimacy that the SA says they have a problem with.

    If that is true, I still be ya they are full of bigots who would shun a homosexual who was still celibate.
  • There's a reason I refuse to donate to the Salvation Army.
  • once again, i ask: if homosexuality is such a great sin, why is it not a commandment? why does jesus never mention it? why is it given the same status as eating shellfish or mixing meat and dairy? in short, why do christian fundamentalists focus on teh ghey?
  • There's a reason we took away the Salvation Army's guns. Those people are crazy.
  • cman: Diogenes: The Salvation Army's "Position Statement" on homosexuality, found on its Web site, reads in part: "The Salvation Army does not consider same-sex orientation blameworthy in itself. Homosexual conduct, like heterosexual conduct, requires individual responsibility and must be guided by the light of scriptural teaching. Scripture forbids sexual intimacy between members of the same sex. The Salvation Army believes, therefore, that Christians whose sexual orientation is primarily or exclusively same-sex are called upon to embrace celibacy as a way of life."

    What a crock of shiat. If you believe it's a sin, it's a sin. Whether a sin in the mind or a sin in the flesh is irrelevant.

    If you believe gays are sinners, then at least be consistent with your ideals. Don't do a carve out because you think gay sex is icky. "We hate gays but we can deal if they just remain invisible."

    /gay sinner

    I could be wrong, but from what I gathered, they say that being homosexual is in our human nature; it is choice of intimacy that the SA says they have a problem with.

    If that is true, I still be ya they are full of bigots who would shun a homosexual who was still celibate.


    So, being gay isn't necessarily bad, just having gay sex is bad?

    Am I expected to be alone forever, then? That would be very kind of them.
  • cman: I could be wrong, but from what I gathered, they say that being homosexual is in our human nature; it is choice of intimacy that the SA says they have a problem with.

    If that is true, I still be ya they are full of bigots who would shun a homosexual who was still celibate.


    That's certainly a more forgiving (haha) reading than I gave it. It's possible, though.
  • FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if homosexuality is such a great sin, why is it not a commandment? why does jesus never mention it? why is it given the same status as eating shellfish or mixing meat and dairy? in short, why do christian fundamentalists focus on teh ghey?


    Since we in America culturally descend from the English, I shall take a look into their past.

    I do not know much about early christianity, but I think that European culture played a big role when many became Christians. When Christianity came to England, the English fit christianity in a lot of their former heathen rituals like Easter. They adopted Christianity but still kept significant pre-church rules.

    I am uncertain of homosexuality and the English viewpoint at that time, so I can only speculate. It is possible that I am wrong, but if homosexuality was severely looked down upon when christianity came to England, it could explain why we Americans are that way. We just refit our culture upon the Christian laws.

    /I am kinda tired, so I hope I made sense.
  • FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if homosexuality is such a great sin, why is it not a commandment? why does jesus never mention it? why is it given the same status as eating shellfish or mixing meat and dairy? in short, why do christian fundamentalists focus on teh ghey?


    *Shrug*...it's one of the "Hot Button" social issues. It, along with abortion, have been a galvanizing force that politically motivated Christians have rallied around for decades now. That's the real answer to your question (IMHO). There's nothing in the bible itself to suggest homosexuality deserves the disproportionate amount of attention modern Christians allot to it.
  • kid_icarus: FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if homosexuality is such a great sin, why is it not a commandment? why does jesus never mention it? why is it given the same status as eating shellfish or mixing meat and dairy? in short, why do christian fundamentalists focus on teh ghey?

    *Shrug*...it's one of the "Hot Button" social issues. It, along with abortion, have been a galvanizing force that politically motivated Christians have rallied around for decades now. That's the real answer to your question (IMHO). There's nothing in the bible itself to suggest homosexuality deserves the disproportionate amount of attention modern Christians allot to it.


    Bigoted Christians didn't have to do as much work in the past. Society and regular bigotry kept homosexuals out of the mainstream. As society softened, the Christians were left with the dirty work of discrimination.
  • FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if homosexuality is such a great sin, why is it not a commandment? why does jesus never mention it? why is it given the same status as eating shellfish or mixing meat and dairy? in short, why do christian fundamentalists focus on teh ghey?


    And hell it ain't even given that. Given that wearing a cotton-poly blend was a captial crime under Levitical Jewish law, it is no sillier to interpret "liest not with a man as with a woman" to be some prohibition on spooning, or having anal with women. It's pretty non-specific to base 4,000 years of hate off of. Especially since several of the cultures we filtered those instructions through, had strict porhibtions against homosexuality, but were totally okay with a man farking another man-which wasn't considered gay to them. The rule was you couldn't take an equal-status/age/rank male as your exclusive lover-mostly because that stopped you from doing your duty to the state in the "creating future citizens and heirs" department. But just having sex? Not only condoned but actively encouraged in some Greek cultures like Sparta's
  • Diogenes: That's certainly a more forgiving (haha) reading than I gave it. It's possible, though.


    It's also a load of crap. The guy openly says he believes homosexuals should be murdered. Reading anything between the lines is pure delusion.
  • FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if homosexuality is such a great sin, why is it not a commandment? why does jesus never mention it? why is it given the same status as eating shellfish or mixing meat and dairy? in short, why do christian fundamentalists focus on teh ghey?


    Homosexuality is a great sin because its social acceptance opens the door to acceptable non-procreative, non-married sex. As long as religions control sex and marriage, they can influence younger generations, which is the only way to maintain their flock.

    In other words, homosexuality is a great sin because it threatens the power of the church, not because of the bible. Sexual orientation didn't even exist as a concept until the late 1800s. The bible was written by people far too simplistic to understand something as complex as human sexuality.
  • cman: FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if homosexuality is such a great sin, why is it not a commandment? why does jesus never mention it? why is it given the same status as eating shellfish or mixing meat and dairy? in short, why do christian fundamentalists focus on teh ghey?

    Since we in America culturally descend from the English, I shall take a look into their past.

    I do not know much about early christianity, but I think that European culture played a big role when many became Christians. When Christianity came to England, the English fit christianity in a lot of their former heathen rituals like Easter. They adopted Christianity but still kept significant pre-church rules.

    I am uncertain of homosexuality and the English viewpoint at that time, so I can only speculate. It is possible that I am wrong, but if homosexuality was severely looked down upon when christianity came to England, it could explain why we Americans are that way. We just refit our culture upon the Christian laws.

    /I am kinda tired, so I hope I made sense.


    Actually, this has to do with a strongly anti-sex, period, strain of thought that has permeated Christianity since Paul showed up. He believed he was part of a doomday cult that wouldn't survive more than a single generation so he saw no point in people getting married, having kids, etc when the world was about to be wiped in during the second coming. Still, he allowed, that if a man simply COULDN'T control his sexual urges "it is better to marry than burn" (Adding his overt contempt for women, his obsession with sexuality, the fact that he travelled with two different longtime male companions (Luke and Timothy) and his mysterious references to his own "affliction"-it wouldn't be hard to make the case that St. Paul was a self-hating closet case). The ball was carried further by St Augustine, who'd lived an early life fullof debauchery of every kind, and like a reformed alcoholic who starts a temperance movement, decided that the body and all its pleasures were necessarily evil.

    This led, in the early middle ages to a Pope (Slyvester or Sixtus perhaps?) decalring that ALL sex was sinful, straight or gay, married or otherwise. However he did allow that sex undertaken for the purposes of procreation was merely a venial sin, but sex for fun was always a mortal one.

    Which is what I find Ironic about many of the current feverently anti-gay crusaders in the Christian church. The logic behind thier condemenation of Gay sex, once applied equally to what they did in THEIR bedrooms with their wives as well, but they seem to ignore that bit.
  • Magorn: cman: FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if homosexuality is such a great sin, why is it not a commandment? why does jesus never mention it? why is it given the same status as eating shellfish or mixing meat and dairy? in short, why do christian fundamentalists focus on teh ghey?

    Since we in America culturally descend from the English, I shall take a look into their past.

    I do not know much about early christianity, but I think that European culture played a big role when many became Christians. When Christianity came to England, the English fit christianity in a lot of their former heathen rituals like Easter. They adopted Christianity but still kept significant pre-church rules.

    I am uncertain of homosexuality and the English viewpoint at that time, so I can only speculate. It is possible that I am wrong, but if homosexuality was severely looked down upon when christianity came to England, it could explain why we Americans are that way. We just refit our culture upon the Christian laws.

    /I am kinda tired, so I hope I made sense.

    Actually, this has to do with a strongly anti-sex, period, strain of thought that has permeated Christianity since Paul showed up. He believed he was part of a doomday cult that wouldn't survive more than a single generation so he saw no point in people getting married, having kids, etc when the world was about to be wiped in during the second coming. Still, he allowed, that if a man simply COULDN'T control his sexual urges "it is better to marry than burn" (Adding his overt contempt for women, his obsession with sexuality, the fact that he travelled with two different longtime male companions (Luke and Timothy) and his mysterious references to his own "affliction"-it wouldn't be hard to make the case that St. Paul was a self-hating closet case). The ball was carried further by St Augustine, who'd lived an early life fullof debauchery of every kind, and like a reformed alcoholic who starts a temperance movement, decided that the bo ...


    I think you are right. Thank you for the correction.
  • FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if homosexuality is such a great sin, why is it not a commandment? why does jesus never mention it? why is it given the same status as eating shellfish or mixing meat and dairy? in short, why do christian fundamentalists focus on teh ghey?


    Because they want cock in them sooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. However, a throwaway line in their favorite book of fairy tales says "No, You can't have cock, not yours." So, their urge for cock goes unsatisfied. And if they can't enjoy cock, then by God, NO ONE IS GOING TO ENJOY COCK!
  • FirstNationalBastard: FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if homosexuality is such a great sin, why is it not a commandment? why does jesus never mention it? why is it given the same status as eating shellfish or mixing meat and dairy? in short, why do christian fundamentalists focus on teh ghey?

    Because they want cock in them sooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. However, a throwaway line in their favorite book of fairy tales says "No, You can't have cock, not yours." So, their urge for cock goes unsatisfied. And if they can't enjoy cock, then by God, NO ONE IS GOING TO ENJOY COCK!


    Every time you say the word 'cock,' a gay angel gets his wings.
  • Cythraul: FirstNationalBastard: FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if homosexuality is such a great sin, why is it not a commandment? why does jesus never mention it? why is it given the same status as eating shellfish or mixing meat and dairy? in short, why do christian fundamentalists focus on teh ghey?

    Because they want cock in them sooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. However, a throwaway line in their favorite book of fairy tales says "No, You can't have cock, not yours." So, their urge for cock goes unsatisfied. And if they can't enjoy cock, then by God, NO ONE IS GOING TO ENJOY COCK!

    Every time you say the word 'cock,' a gay angel gets his wings.


    Ooh, brown halos for everybody!
  • Magorn: once applied equally to what they did in THEIR bedrooms with their wives as well, but they seem to ignore that bit.


    It still does, doesn't it? I might not have followed what you said but I was under the impression that birth control etc. was a sin because sex procreation blah blah something something.
  • FirstNationalBastard: FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if homosexuality is such a great sin, why is it not a commandment? why does jesus never mention it? why is it given the same status as eating shellfish or mixing meat and dairy? in short, why do christian fundamentalists focus on teh ghey?

    Because they want cock in them sooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. However, a throwaway line in their favorite book of fairy tales says "No, You can't have cock, not yours." So, their urge for cock goes unsatisfied. And if they can't enjoy cock, then by God, NO ONE IS GOING TO ENJOY COCK!


    Christians in general have always had a weird obsession with sex, not just teh ghey sex. I remember the old days of church camp...boys and girls couldn't swim together (perish the thought!), so when one gender was swimming the other was in bible study. And of course, with all the boys together what did we always talk about? SEX. Dirty, sinful, wrong, immoral sex that will send you straight to hell, boy.
  • FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if homosexuality is such a great sin, why is it not a commandment? why does jesus never mention it? why is it given the same status as eating shellfish or mixing meat and dairy? in short, why do christian fundamentalists focus on teh ghey?


    How would you like it if you were tempted with sexy man-ass all the time, but your holy book said you can't have it? Then, you see other people enjoying sexy man-ass with total disregard for the fact it's a sin! That's not fair!
  • FirstNationalBastard: FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if homosexuality is such a great sin, why is it not a commandment? why does jesus never mention it? why is it given the same status as eating shellfish or mixing meat and dairy? in short, why do christian fundamentalists focus on teh ghey?

    Because they want cock in them sooooooooooooooooooooooo bad. However, a throwaway line in their favorite book of fairy tales says "No, You can't have cock, not yours." So, their urge for cock goes unsatisfied. And if they can't enjoy cock, then by God, NO ONE IS GOING TO ENJOY COCK!


    I didn't see this post.
  • FlashHarry: once again, i ask: if homosexuality is such a great sin, why is it not a commandment? why does jesus never mention it? why is it given the same status as eating shellfish or mixing meat and dairy? in short, why do christian fundamentalists focus on teh ghey?


    That's not even half the picture.

    Biblically, pedophiles, polygamy, and slavery was totes okay. There are actual passages that mention each of these things more often than homosexuality was mentioned.

    I think it's time to admit that the Bible is a crappy foundation for their bigotry.
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