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  • "For example, the team's final proposal for narcissistic personality disorder involved rating a person on four traits, including 'manipulativeness,' 'histrionism,' and 'callousness.' The current definition includes nine possible elements."

    That's a good start on defining my ex's, but they forgot to add "won't even look for a damn job-ism", "drinking until you pass out in front of the kids syndrome", and "who the hell where those strange men who just left you drunk and unable to walk on our porch at 3AM."

    /not kidding
  • More disorders = more reasons to prescribe people expensive medications.
  • There are a lot of crazy people in modern society.

    As long as they can keep attending their jobs, they survive... and breed. The crazy spreads.

    Next stop: Idiocracy.
  • They also can't formulate a coherent and logical style guide either.

    /Chicago, ftw
  • My first job was with them. My boss could have definitely benefitted from a more specific definition of personality disorders.

    I responded to a lot of correspondence asking for information. Sometimes the crazy just lept off the pages of the crudely scrawled hand-written letters.
  • As someone who has to deal with an ex- with BPD and narcissistic rage, I'm not getting a kick...
  • sodomizer: There are a lot of crazy people in modern society.

    As long as they can keep attending their jobs, they survive... and breed. The crazy spreads.

    Next stop: Idiocracy.


    I'll say.

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    /I wonder how many Patrick Batemans we have in all parts of society?
  • I think my sister had it nailed when she said 'Borderline Personality Disorder' is just an excuse for bad behavior.

    If you can blame it on a 'disorder', then TaDa! No personal responsibility!
  • sodomizer: There are a lot of crazy people in modern society.

    As long as they can keep attending their jobs, they survive... and breed. The crazy spreads.

    Next stop: Idiocracy.


    Because being Mentally ill is the same thing as being stupid.
  • Me thinks Subby has problems of his own.... I mean, who in their right mind gets married more than once? ( even once is a questionable decision)
  • ....and I know what it's like to be married to someone with BPD. It IS an excuse.
  • there are so many facets to mankind's behavior the psychiatric field seems reluctant to classify. personality disorders is painfully obvious and overdue for recognition. most people are very complex multi layered little buffets of varied input/output. i hope mankind lives the modern life long enough to really sort things out.

    as for folks that have to jump on the medication hatred bandwagon. first, you don't have to take it. second, many people who need medication are instead chasing their demons with alcohol and street drugs and doing themselves absolutely no good. third, if you yourself found relief or had someone in your life that was helped by mental health related medication you would know first hand it works and its not just sold for fun and profit.
  • Soylent Green: Crazy good.
  • kokomo61: ....and I know what it's like to be married to someone with BPD. It IS an excuse.



    Bingo.

    /Divorced her when she refused to go to counseling
  • doczoidberg: More disorders = more reasons to prescribe people expensive medications.


    Medications have little to no affect on personality disorders. The only treatment for them is cognitive/behavior therapy and the effectiveness of this for some of them is dubious.
  • KrispyKritter: there are so many facets to mankind's behavior the psychiatric field seems reluctant to classify. personality disorders is painfully obvious and overdue for recognition. most people are very complex multi layered little buffets of varied input/output. i hope mankind lives the modern life long enough to really sort things out.

    as for folks that have to jump on the medication hatred bandwagon. first, you don't have to take it. second, many people who need medication are instead chasing their demons with alcohol and street drugs and doing themselves absolutely no good. third, if you yourself found relief or had someone in your life that was helped by mental health related medication you would know first hand it works and its not just sold for fun and profit.


    That's the first time i've used the Smart button. Good job
  • Wives?

    Plural?

    Good God, man.

    /once is happenstance
    //twice is coincidence
    ///three time is enemy action

    Holmes
  • kokomo61: I think my sister had it nailed when she said 'Borderline Personality Disorder' is just an excuse for bad behavior.

    If you can blame it on a 'disorder', then TaDa! No personal responsibility!


    Check out the Wiki page on BPD. So help be $DEITY, it's almost word for word my ex-GF as far as actions and history; Childhood environment, alcohol abuse, eating disorder, impulsiveness, staggeringly concerned with how people treated her and making sure everyone took her "into consideration" on every little issue, etc. I mean down to nearly the last it describes her.
  • FarkinHostile: kokomo61: ....and I know what it's like to be married to someone with BPD. It IS an excuse.
    Bingo.
    /Divorced her when she refused to go to counseling


    I have no problem with you guys divorcing your loony ex (I divorced mine too) but it's not just an "excuse." It's how they think, it's how their brains are wired. When they appear to have no idea how they have hurt or offended you, they really don't. Their brains don't work right. You can't just say, "well, they don't want to take responsibility for their actions." They don't know how--they don't even know what it means, or how you'd go about doing something like that.

    And therapy, unless they're a very mild case, doesn't work. (And even if they are capable of change, it takes years and years of very hard work, something that people with PDs don't like, because, of course--none of it is their fault!) Skip the therapy and just dump them.

    Hell, my shrink told me not only that he couldn't work with my ex, he said that he couldn't even tell him that he had a mental disorder--it would cause a psychotic break and put us in more danger. Because they really do not know that there's anything wrong with them. It would be like me coming up to you and saying, "Hey guys, guess what--you have a serious mental disorder, and all those bad things that keep happening to you? You did it all. Everyone hates you, and they have good reasons for it."

    So fine if you booted these people from your life, but it's a little more complicated than they just don't want to take responsibility for themselves.
  • So, the article adds to the confusion by confusing OCD and OCPD. Glad everything is clear as mud for the non-shrinks.

    OCD = anxiety disorder (think Monk)
    OCPD = personality disorder (think about your office asshole who has to do everything HIS way)
  • kokomo61: I think my sister had it nailed when she said 'Borderline Personality Disorder' is just an excuse for bad behavior.

    If you can blame it on a 'disorder', then TaDa! No personal responsibility!


    I've always said BPD is psychiatry's way of calling you an asshole.
  • Bender The Offender: kokomo61: I think my sister had it nailed when she said 'Borderline Personality Disorder' is just an excuse for bad behavior.

    If you can blame it on a 'disorder', then TaDa! No personal responsibility!

    I've always said BPD is psychiatry's way of calling you an asshole.


    So is NPD and OCPD (not to be confused with OCD)
  • As someone with Avoidant Personality Disorder, I'm getting a kick, etc...

    I had signs of it since early childhood, but people thought i was just shy. Well, i was, but the problem was/is much more complicated than that. Only realized i had it a few years ago.

    Makes social interactions almost impossible to create, all the while i can deal with people formally without much trouble. It's one of those issues that's almost impossible to notice unless you know me. And it's hard to get to know me because, well, i avoid people beyond the strictly utilitarian.

    I always feel like people are judging me constantly, like a thousand eyes watching me, and i can't ignore or let go. Because those eyes include mine. It's terrible and makes me paranoid. Completely unable to deal with social pressure. I'm always in a state of super-inhibition. I can't "just do it", break off the mold, etc. i have mental blocks, i panic, etc.

    It sucks.
  • cryinoutloud: I have no problem with you guys divorcing your loony ex (I divorced mine too) but it's not just an "excuse." It's how they think, it's how their brains are wired. When they appear to have no idea how they have hurt or offended you, they really don't.


    Sorry, but I don't buy it. When things were good, they were great, so she knew her actions had significance and when it suited her, she was wonderful. After I left her, she acknowledged her "problems" as she tried to get me to take her back, while doing all of the things that made me leave her.

    She knew. She controlled it when it suited her.

    In all honesty, I could have been diagnosed with a personality disorder when I was a teen/young man. I'm not the most "sane" fellow, and I struggle with my issues every day. The difference is I try. You can program your programming if you really want to and work on it.
  • I work with someone I swear has histronic personality disorder. She took two days off because she had to have her dog put down and actually told me that her dogs are just like kids.... that it's like a child dying. First time in my life I was speechless.
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