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  • I have some good friends down in Ocean County that were flooded out, and FEMA has taken care of them pretty well. They aren't ALL bad.
  • When conservatives say we're against big government, part of what we're talking about is the inherently abusive tendencies of bureaucracy.

    Bureaucrats don't have to show a profit, or be in any other way regulated by reality. They do what it says they're supposed to do, however they interpret it, with oversight only by other bureaucrats. Government picks people who generally cannot have other careers to do these jobs.

    I'm not yay-gung-ho about privatization, but private insurance hiring private companies might have done a better job of cost accounting. The Red Cross seems to be doing OK, not great, but better than FEMA as a practical solution.

    The last really big storm I went through knocked power out for weeks for eight million people. We never saw any FEMA activity.
  • This sounds more like a screw up on the City's behalf than FEMA's to me.
  • You really can't do that unless they are paying. There are all sorts of laws that protect tenants, and if you're putting someone up like that, it's likely they'll be able to find some way to take advantage of those laws to your disadvantage.

    cf. Pacific Heights
  • The Wall Street Journal says ok, bullshiat coming out...
  • I think the better question is why is this article from the San Fransisco Chronicle?
  • "The city expects FEMA to reimburse it for the hotels"

    And I expect my Cheryl Teagues poster to come to life one night and service me in unspeakable ways.

    This is the city's screw up, and I seriously doubt FEMA will be paying them a red cent for their poor choices.
  • sodomizer: We never saw any FEMA activity


    KatjaMouse: This sounds more like a screw up on the City's behalf than FEMA's to me.


    iirc FEMA's roll is to supplement the resources of the state that the disaster took place, they are under control of the Governor and are essentially just extra man power and resources. Any decisions made are not made by them.
  • Flragnararch: I think the better question is why is this article from the San Fransisco Chronicle?


    WSJ has a paywall
  • Yes, all above is true (except the roll part, that was just funny). Also, subby, let's pick 50 random misplaced people and put them up in a hotel and see how the other few hundo feel about it.
  • It is my understanding that most FEMA programs are available for people who REQUEST them. FEMA doesn't know who got displaced or how to contact them. The person who got displaced has to contact FEMA (or local EM agency) to request these rooms. If they are instead sleeping on a friend's couch and don't want a hotel, then they won't be using the hotel rooms...
  • sasbazooka: I have some good friends down in Ocean County that were flooded out, and FEMA has taken care of them pretty well. They aren't ALL bad.


    Nonsense. FEMA needs to be gotten rid of, immediately!
  • FEMA is really just a money machine for the connected? Really? What Government agency isn't
  • Another failed Bush program.

    /shocking
  • Putting displaced people up in hotels ends up costing more than just the rack rate. When you have a family actually living out of a hotel room for days and weeks, stuff breaks, rips and gets soiled. I know if I owned a hotel I want it in writing that someone is going to reimburse whatever cost I'd have to incur to bring that room back to a rentable state. I think there's more going on here than we know.
  • sodomizer: Government picks people who generally cannot have other careers to do these jobs.


    The ol' "anyone can do these well-paying jobs" routine.
  • Does FEMA agents follow the same work schedule as most Govenment employees.

    All major holidays off . Close the office down around 3:30. Voice message alerting that Mr. ---- system is full.
    Weekends and personal days ....

    Because this could be the problem causing the bottle necks.

    * Radio.".yeah I got a family of four needing shelter and assistance..over."
    ---* Yeah.. Miss Gladys is away from her desk until Monday .You can leave a message on her voice mail..over."
    * Radio." What about these people ? over "
    ---" You can leave a message for Miss Gladys ..over & OUT."
  • Right. FEMA is the poster-child for misallocation of resources.
    Not, say, Iraq with its importing of sand to a desert for a volleyball court, or billions in cash outright unaccounted for, or bribing militants to not blow people up, or any of that shiat.

    No no no.
    When you mobilize that large a slice of government *for war* it's understood that some things will fall through the cracks and inefficiencies will persist, due in no small part to chaotic communications and non-functioning infrastructure in the place you just blew to shiat.

    It's *totally different* when you mobilize people *without guns* into a place with chaotic communication and non-functioning infrastructure that *mother nature* blew to shiat.
    In *that* case, any and all inefficiencies are a sign of the moral failure of trying to help those people in the first place.
  • FTFA: "The Department of Homeless Services says some unused rooms are reserved so they are available if more seek shelter."

    "IF MORE" In other words, FEMA booked more just in case they needed more.

    Imagine that. FEMA doing things "just in case"

    /not sure if subby is advocating that FEMA sublet the rooms on a night to night basis. You know like you can rent out your timeshare that you booked. That could save some money, Other than that, if your stuck homeless in NYC, 'seek shelter' to qualify to use spare rooms. 'Seek' is an active verb.
  • sodomizer: When conservatives say we're against big government, part of what we're talking about is the inherently abusive tendencies of bureaucracy.

    Bureaucrats don't have to show a profit, or be in any other way regulated by reality. They do what it says they're supposed to do, however they interpret it, with oversight only by other bureaucrats. Government picks people who generally cannot have other careers to do these jobs.

    I'm not yay-gung-ho about privatization, but private insurance hiring private companies might have done a better job of cost accounting. The Red Cross seems to be doing OK, not great, but better than FEMA as a practical solution.

    The last really big storm I went through knocked power out for weeks for eight million people. We never saw any FEMA activity.


    No, privatization is another layer of ineffeciancy beaurocratically created and regulated that feeds on itself and is but a pork barrel. A true consecutive would oppose privatization and demand that politicians do their job and represent the people that elected them rather than the lobbiest that provides the hookers and blow
  • Flragnararch: I think the better question is why is this article from the San Fransisco Chronicle?


    Headso: The Wall Street Journal says ok, bullshiat coming out...


    It's Associated Press copy with the AP paraphrasing the Journal. Original article (possibly subscription-only) says the NYC Department of Homeless Services is administering the program.
  • Before the storm, I heard a pundit say "FEMA usually gets high marks right after a disaster, when they are getting into areas that other organizations can't and providing help. People are usually grateful for any helping hand at that point. A few days or weeks later is when the criticism comes out. That's when the red tape and wasteful spending comes to light."

    So far, Sandy has proven to hold true to that one.
  • Just remember folks, if it wasn't for Sandy and Obama's amazing response to it, Mitt Romney would be the president-elect right now, according to the left-wing media.
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