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  • Yes, and 5 out of 10 Americans don't pay any taxes. In fact, 5 out of 10 households receive some form of government assistance. It's easy to be in favor of taking money away from someone else. Why don't each of you farklibs send me a dollar.
  • BillCo: 5 out of 10 Americans don't pay any taxes.


    Kind of hard to pay income tax when the Glorious Job CreatorsTM won't actually create a job for you. But I guess you guys are workin' so hard you deserve yet another bonus for increasing profits by a tiny fraction merely by stealing pensions and firing any worker who wants to be paid more than a Mexican migrant worker.
  • BillCo: It's easy to be in favor of taking money away from someone else.


    Yes, it certainly is. I'm in favor or taking money away from other people. But I don't want it. I want it to go to people who need it, which isn't me. I don't mind that some of my taxes pay to meet the basic human needs of those who can not meet them on their own.

    But then I have compassion and empathy.
  • i am surprised it's only six in 10. where did they do the poll? the country club?
  • I'm in favor of whatever allows poor folks to steal BillCo's precious bodily fluids.
  • some_beer_drinker: i am surprised it's only six in 10. where did they do the poll? the country club?


    Some still have hope that one day they will be the ones making over 250k.
  • Diogenes: I'm in favor of whatever allows poor folks to steal BillCo's precious bodily fluids.


    I too support Turkey Basters.
  • BillCo: Yes, and 5 out of 10 Americans don't pay any taxes.



    Absolute, unadulterated bullshiat.

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  • The Stealth Hippopotamus: some_beer_drinker: i am surprised it's only six in 10. where did they do the poll? the country club?

    Some still have hope that one day they will be the ones making over 250k.


    Not going to happen when our current state makes it easier to concentrate existing wealth instead of creating new wealth. All the goodies go to those already wealthy.

    I don't want to steal from the rich and give to the poor. I want a system that allows those without wealth to create their own.
  • Sybarite: BillCo: Yes, and 5 out of 10 Americans don't pay any taxes.


    Absolute, unadulterated bullshiat.

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    And most of the ones who no longer pay taxes, vote Republican. So they are the very "takers" that they complain about.
  • Diogenes: The Stealth Hippopotamus: some_beer_drinker: i am surprised it's only six in 10. where did they do the poll? the country club?

    Some still have hope that one day they will be the ones making over 250k.

    Not going to happen when our current state makes it easier to concentrate existing wealth instead of creating new wealth. All the goodies go to those already wealthy.

    I don't want to steal from the rich and give to the poor. I want a system that allows those without wealth to create their own.


    You mean some kind of system where the rich don't control the means of production?
  • rumpelstiltskin: Diogenes: The Stealth Hippopotamus: some_beer_drinker: i am surprised it's only six in 10. where did they do the poll? the country club?

    Some still have hope that one day they will be the ones making over 250k.

    Not going to happen when our current state makes it easier to concentrate existing wealth instead of creating new wealth. All the goodies go to those already wealthy.

    I don't want to steal from the rich and give to the poor. I want a system that allows those without wealth to create their own.

    You mean some kind of system where the rich don't control the means of production?


    Oh, you got me pegged! Really hit the Marx on that one!
  • Sybarite: BillCo: Yes, and 5 out of 10 Americans don't pay any taxes.


    Absolute, unadulterated bullshiat.

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    He has an estranged relationship with facts. he's heard of them, but hasn't actually seen or interacted with them in a while.
  • rumpelstiltskin: You mean some kind of system where the rich don't control the means of production?


    or perhaps simply a tax structure that encourages the wealthy to reinvest their wealth instead of hording it, and reduces multigenerational dynastic wealth from having as much of impact

    like we had in the 50s and 60s
  • We need to return to the economically crippling rates we experienced during the period of massive economic growth under President Clinton.
  • I think that "rich" should be set to anyone who makes more than me.

    /You know who you are, with your hot tubs and late-model Hondas.
  • Sybarite: BillCo: Yes, and 5 out of 10 Americans don't pay any taxes.


    Absolute, unadulterated bullshiat.

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  • nekom: BillCo: It's easy to be in favor of taking money away from someone else.

    Yes, it certainly is. I'm in favor or taking money away from other people. But I don't want it. I want it to go to people who need it, which isn't me. I don't mind that some of my taxes pay to meet the basic human needs of those who can not meet them on their own.

    But then I have compassion and empathy.


    Right? If I didn't pay taxes I could afford a car to replace my '98 acura (which was new when I was 10), and a nicer apartment. But I'm really pretty happy if that money lets people who couldn't otherwise afford to eat keep living. Even if it goes to some people who COULD afford to eat, if they spent smarter. Even if none of those people pay taxes.

    I wouldn't even mind paying a little more to make sure that those people can go to the hospital when they need to. You know, so that when I need to go, it doesn't cost a few hundred thousand dollars to cover their avoidable ER visits.
  • BillCo: Sybarite: BillCo: Yes, and 5 out of 10 Americans don't pay any taxes.


    Absolute, unadulterated bullshiat.

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    You clearly have no idea of the difference between "taxes" and "income taxes" but here's your ribbon for trying.
  • Sybarite: BillCo: Sybarite: BillCo: Yes, and 5 out of 10 Americans don't pay any taxes.


    Absolute, unadulterated bullshiat.

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    You clearly have no idea of the difference between "taxes" and "income taxes" but here's your ribbon for trying.



    And I'm willing to bet my 2-year old falls into that 46.4%.
  • UberDave: Sybarite: BillCo: Sybarite: BillCo: Yes, and 5 out of 10 Americans don't pay any taxes.


    Absolute, unadulterated bullshiat.

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    You clearly have no idea of the difference between "taxes" and "income taxes" but here's your ribbon for trying.


    And I'm willing to bet my 2-year old falls into that 46.4%.


    I am curious. My wife is a stay at home mom, does she fall into the pays no income tax category? Or does she count as paying taxes because we file jointly?
  • Diogenes: Not going to happen when our current state makes it easier to concentrate existing wealth instead of creating new wealth. All the goodies go to those already wealthy


    Well it's hard to tax wealth. It's that whole double taxation thing. We taxed it on the way in and that's the only bite at the apple we get, until they die and then we get one more bite unless they are smart and take steps to protect it. There is no way Congress would even try to tax wealth anyway, most of them have made theirs and arn't going to open themselves up to that.

    And we shouldn't tax wealth.

    As far as everyone getting their shoot at making it, I think we are one of the best places in the world for someone to get ahead. That is changing but right now you can still do it.
  • The Stealth Hippopotamus: Diogenes: Not going to happen when our current state makes it easier to concentrate existing wealth instead of creating new wealth. All the goodies go to those already wealthy

    Well it's hard to tax wealth. It's that whole double taxation thing. We taxed it on the way in and that's the only bite at the apple we get, until they die and then we get one more bite unless they are smart and take steps to protect it. There is no way Congress would even try to tax wealth anyway, most of them have made theirs and arn't going to open themselves up to that.

    And we shouldn't tax wealth.

    As far as everyone getting their shoot at making it, I think we are one of the best places in the world for someone to get ahead. That is changing but right now you can still do it.


    Careful. That kind of bootstrappy thinking will get you called out as a 1% er.

    Because the important thing to know is there's only two kinds of interests:

    Whats best for me, and that crap everyone else wants.
  • Generation_D: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Diogenes: Not going to happen when our current state makes it easier to concentrate existing wealth instead of creating new wealth. All the goodies go to those already wealthy

    Well it's hard to tax wealth. It's that whole double taxation thing. We taxed it on the way in and that's the only bite at the apple we get, until they die and then we get one more bite unless they are smart and take steps to protect it. There is no way Congress would even try to tax wealth anyway, most of them have made theirs and arn't going to open themselves up to that.

    And we shouldn't tax wealth.

    As far as everyone getting their shoot at making it, I think we are one of the best places in the world for someone to get ahead. That is changing but right now you can still do it.

    Careful. That kind of bootstrappy thinking will get you called out as a 1% er.

    Because the important thing to know is there's only two kinds of interests:

    Whats best for me, and that crap everyone else wants.


    Capital gains taxation is not taxing wealth. It's taxing capital gains.

    BS double taxation argument is BS.
  • To put a finer point on it: Do I think kids of today are getting a raw deal on things like tuition, or on job opportunity right out of college sometimes, or on various other things like income growth last ten years for 90% of the population? Yes, absolutely.

    The thing is though: 30 years ago I was a pissed off 21 year old saying the same thing. Mortgages were over 10% and never coming down. Gas was at $2.25 a gallon after having been 40 cents just a few years before. Inflation had been clipping along at over 10% for almost a decade. Unemployment was over 10% and not headed down any time soon, economists were talking about the new normal of 15% or more unemployment. Cities were rotting out at the core, every urban area was completely effed and anyone that thought America still had a future was an idiot Reagan Youth yuppie / buffy whose parents were paying their way. Bret Easton Ellis, in a word.

    And then weird things happened. New opportunities came up. I grew up by a few years and quit just biatching about the raw deal I got growing up and started going for it anyway, despite the crap the baby boomers handed us. Some things never change. But....

    I can't help but wonder how much sh*t talked on line now is mainly kids who haven't launched yet who still are focusing on what they don't have, rather than on focusing on what they themselves can make.

    It took me 10 years to pull my head out of my a**, quit complaining, and just get to work.

    You all will think I'm one of them now. Just like I would have thought some idiot telling me to get bootstrappy 30 years ago was full of it too.

    Some things are eternal.
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