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  • This is not necessarily a FAIL. This is not a new concept. It just hasn't been tried much (if at all) since the beginning of the Cold War.
  • "The French are discovering - to their horror - that their performance internationally has been declining over the last 10 years. The French actually are performing [worse] than the Americans in reading and science," he says.

    Then they had better try something and fast.
  • Assigned homework is bullshiat.
    If they can't fit all of the learnin they need into an 8 hour day then they're not doing it right.
  • If the teacher can't finish the job in school, then the school day needs to be extended. Take-home homework is mostly to punish the parents. I can see it for math and reading and possibly writing. All the rest of it is complete horseshiat.
  • Parents in good homes will give their children interesting and educational things to do with their time, and the cycle of inequality will continue.

    Maybe we can hire people to disrupt those with easy home lives.
  • Snarfangel: Parents in good homes will give their children interesting and educational things to do with their time


    The rest will be spent on homework.
  • It's 5:30 p.m. and getting dark outside, as kids pour out of Gutenberg Elementary School in Paris 15th arrondissement.

    5:30pm let-out time? Whew things have changed.
  • When I was real little and my brother had homework, I was jealous of the attention he got when he would spaz out over it. But when I finally had homework I thought it sucked. Forty years later I still think it sucks.
  • The problem is not assigning homework, it is grading it. If you cannot determine the appropriate grade based on in class performance (outside projects/term papers) then you are doing it wrong. So assign all the homework you want, and the student should do as much as they want, but grading it is for losers.
  • Actually, trying to fix the circle of poverty and bad home life is much harder for the government to do. Government and schools alone cannot fix the bad thinking patterns that trap people in a cycle of shiat jobs and poor decisions.
  • We need to return to actually teaching critical thinking and imparting knowledge rather than rote memorization to pass standardized tests.
  • A 20 year old mother with a 7 year old son.

    Urgh.
  • Will intelligence only be judged on repetition and memorization? Will we still force everyone to learn at the same speed even though we learn at different ones? Are people that are supposed to be learning trades left to die and join gangs like they always do?
  • Eddie Adams from Torrance: Assigned homework is bullshiat.
    If they can't fit all of the learnin they need into an 8 hour day then they're not doing it right.


    I've always felt that homework was to force kids to spend time outside of class doing what they should've done inside. If you do math outside of class you may have NOBODY to ask for help with and most math books are written from the perspective of someone writing a math book rather than someone wanting to learn math. I get that you need practice to reinforce math but math isn't something you can go ask grandma about. History paper? Damn right Grandma is a 1st hand source of information.

    I've had professors who use shiatty books to try to reinforce what they teach in class. What they teach in class may amount to 75% of what is in the book and they never test or even talk about that last 25% but damn if you don't need to read everything and pray you learned enough to pass a test (Hint: I didn't because this method sucks). Then on top of it all the book is written in a perspective of being a seasoned engineer and fark you if you don't understand what it says.

    Then there is the whole writing paper thing that never made sense to me. Most people don't spend their lives writing proposals, dissertations, so I've never understood why high school kids have to write essays comparing/contrasting two books with their teacher offering vague feedback that doesn't really direct how to improve your thought processes to write a better paper later.
  • BumpInTheNight: It's 5:30 p.m. and getting dark outside, as kids pour out of Gutenberg Elementary School in Paris 15th arrondissement.

    5:30pm let-out time? Whew things have changed.


    Hmm... I thought he was exaggerating, but if their school day is that long then throwing extra homework on top of that is kinda messed up. I wonder if they have study hall?
  • Ed Willy: Actually, trying to fix the circle of poverty and bad home life is much harder for the government to do. Government and schools alone cannot fix the bad thinking patterns that trap people in a cycle of shiat jobs and poor decisions.


    What, you think schools don't have any affect on thinking patterns?
  • nmemkha: We need to return to actually teaching critical thinking and imparting knowledge rather than rote memorization to pass standardized tests.


    You want Americans to be able to THINK?
    That's just crazy talk.
  • Arkanaut: BumpInTheNight: It's 5:30 p.m. and getting dark outside, as kids pour out of Gutenberg Elementary School in Paris 15th arrondissement.

    5:30pm let-out time? Whew things have changed.

    Hmm... I thought he was exaggerating, but if their school day is that long then throwing extra homework on top of that is kinda messed up. I wonder if they have study hall?


    Yah seriously eh? I figure homework is to let the students practice what the teacher taught them over what (I remember) being a 6 hour day. 8 hours a day is plenty time to devote their life to a particular goal. This feels out of whack with the traditional french culture towards work/life balance but I'm too lazy to google it :P
  • How 'bout this: more serious assignments that actually engage students (papers and the like), less make work assignments. You're in the classroom for what, 30, 40 hours a week? Which is what, three times what you spend in college?

    Yeah, additional take home work after that is a crock. Stop using homework as a crutch for your shiatty teaching, it just punishes kids and generally adds very little to their understanding. Kids need practice sets in math? Have them do them in class once a week. With you, the teacher, there to help them out right when they need you, as every study ever done on the matter says is much more effective than having them struggle on their own at home. Need them to dedicate significant time to writing a 5 page paper? Okay, have them put together an outline in class, but you can send that one home. But there's no justification for the routine time suck that a lot of homework has become.
  • links136: Will intelligence only be judged on repetition and memorization? Will we still force everyone to learn at the same speed even though we learn at different ones? Are people that are supposed to be learning trades left to die and join gangs like they always do?


    We can only hope. If those kid learn construction trades what are all the immigrants going to do for work?

    Why do you hate brown people?
  • Who does homework at home anyway? That stuff is for home room... Or my 2nd period assignments would be done during 1st period's lecture, 3rd period's work done in second, and so on.

    /straight As first five periods
    //failed last period
  • Abox: When I was real little and my brother had homework, I was jealous of the attention he got when he would spaz out over it. But when I finally had homework I thought it sucked. Forty years later I still think it sucks.


    Maybe you should finally finish it so you can finally graduate?
  • This is true. My mom smoked up the house and there weren't enough desks for the kids in it. My narcissistic-narcissistic mom and manic-depressive dad were always raving in it. Anyway, physiologically, even most adults are only capable of five hours of concentration a day, tops.
  • links136: Ed Willy: Actually, trying to fix the circle of poverty and bad home life is much harder for the government to do. Government and schools alone cannot fix the bad thinking patterns that trap people in a cycle of shiat jobs and poor decisions.

    What, you think schools don't have any affect on thinking patterns?


    Math class word problems should consist of: Jenny has a kid at 16 that costs $5000 in hospital bills. She has to pay $50 a day to feed and cloth the child. Her baby daddy makes $5.50 at McDonalds and works 30 hours a week. How much does their life suck? What if they had waited 10 years?
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