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  • This is a pretty good sign that some cities are moving toward greener forms of transportation.
  • The reason for the new signals? Bicyclists can be at risk when entering an intersection on a yellow light that allows enough time for cars to clear the intersection, but not for bikes, the study found. Even traditional green lights may not allow enough time for a bicyclist starting from a stopped position to make it across.

    You see a red bicycle and a green ball, what are you going to do? As the headline suggests, bicyclists are going to blow the red bicycle symbol and keep going until all the lights are red. And then 90% of them are going to keep going until there is actually a bus blocking the path. Judging by recent experience in Boston, 1% of them are going to keep going after that and have to be scraped off the wheels of the bus.
  • As usual, USA Today is a little behind the curve.

    PDX Bike Traffic Light

    And as ZAZ suggests, they have about the same compliance rate from cyclists as any other traffic light.
  • The placebo effect at work:

    Salem resident Joel Cleland, 39, rides his bike two miles to and from work each day. His route takes him past the new signal.
    "It's a lot quicker and easier to make my way through that intersection now," Cleland said. "I've never waited more than 20 seconds for the new light to turn green."
    The bicycle signal cost $1,000 to install in Salem, according to assistant city traffic manager Tony Martin.
    The city did not install a new signal face, add sensors, and change timing to give bicyclists a faster green for $1,000. Probably not for $10,000.
  • Because these signals are nonstandard they require federal DOT approval as an "experiment." To see what the cities have permission to do, go to http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/orsearch.as p and search on "Part 9 -- Traffic Control for Bicycle Facilities". Look for "Bike Signal Heads" in the search results.  There are links to request letters from cities and responses from FHWA.

    The theory is, cities promise to test whether these signals do anything useful and report back. I'm suspicious because approval of pedestrian countdown timers was based on surveys saying pedestrians liked them, not on evidence that fewer people were flattened or fewer drivers had to honk at slow walkers. Bike signals will be standardized because they are symbolic of a city's support for bicyclists. Bike lanes next to parking lanes are also symbolic of being bike friendly, even if car doors knock a rider under a bus.  (Happened in Central Square, Cambridge, Mass. a few years ago.)
  • I saw a lovely example of why I hate cyclists recently. This was in Australia so most others will have to swap your left from right to understand. Sorry.

    I was making a right hand turn into a side street, just as the light turned, just as I was about to turn I had to jam on my brakes as a cyclist riding his bike rode across the pedestrian crossing. Had I been paying less attention I would've cleaned him up, all I could do was honk my horn. The farker just pointed to the green pedestrian sign and continued.

    In Australian laws, he was not a pedestrian, he was a vehicle. If I had been slower to spot him and knocked him off the bike the law was on my side, yet this arrogant farker decided to point to the pedestrian sign as if it was his right to be whatever the fark he decided he was. He didn't.

    If you dis-mount and walk your bike, you are a pedestrian, otherwise you are a vehicle and must obey the road rules. Not decide you're suddenly a pedestrian as you ride your bike illegally from on footpath to another.

    Arrogant farking douche-bag. This is why the motoring world hates your ass.
  • Yeah, good luck getting bicyclists to pay attention to those. They don't pay attention to the lights in the first place, and you want to give them a smaller light to not notice? This will totally work.
  • Driving to work the other morning, I'm heading up an incredibly narrow lane. On one side is a county work truck working on power lines, hanging out into the road. On the other, a couple of cyclists riding tandem, blocking the road. As I approach, I expect to see them move over. Nope, they just keep taking up the road way. So, I start slowing to stop, but flash my lights hoping they'll get the idea. They still refused to move over. Worse, one of them flipped me the bird.

    /shoulda hit 'em.
  • Shirley, you're killing me.

    /get some new douchbags
  • mr_a: As usual, USA Today is a little behind the curve.

    PDX Bike Traffic Light

    And as ZAZ suggests, they have about the same compliance rate from cyclists as any other traffic light.


    Yep. Eugene, Oregon got its first bicycle traffic signal in December, 2011.
  • Like this is some sort of big deal and we don't follow the laws to begin with.

    But by all means, let's hear your anecdotal "evidence" about cyclists.
  • Tahs4Evar: I saw a lovely example of why I hate cyclists recently. This was in Australia so most others will have to swap your left from right to understand. Sorry.

    I was making a right hand turn into a side street, just as the light turned, just as I was about to turn I had to jam on my brakes as a cyclist riding his bike rode across the pedestrian crossing. Had I been paying less attention I would've cleaned him up, all I could do was honk my horn. The farker just pointed to the green pedestrian sign and continued.

    In Australian laws, he was not a pedestrian, he was a vehicle. If I had been slower to spot him and knocked him off the bike the law was on my side, yet this arrogant farker decided to point to the pedestrian sign as if it was his right to be whatever the fark he decided he was. He didn't.

    If you dis-mount and walk your bike, you are a pedestrian, otherwise you are a vehicle and must obey the road rules. Not decide you're suddenly a pedestrian as you ride your bike illegally from on footpath to another.

    Arrogant farking douche-bag. This is why the motoring world hates your ass.


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    Not all.
  • whidbey: Like this is some sort of big deal and we don't follow the laws to begin with.

    But by all means, let's hear your anecdotal "evidence" about cyclists.


    Oh, some do. They're a conspicuous minority, though. Normal around here is to whip through 4-way stops without pause.
  • Kit Fister: Driving to work the other morning, I'm heading up an incredibly narrow lane. On one side is a county work truck working on power lines, hanging out into the road. On the other, a couple of cyclists riding tandem, blocking the road. As I approach, I expect to see them move over. Nope, they just keep taking up the road way. So, I start slowing to stop, but flash my lights hoping they'll get the idea. They still refused to move over. Worse, one of them flipped me the bird.

    /shoulda hit 'em.


    Would be interesting to put it in neutral for a second (or just use the clutch) and gun the engine from a few feet behind them -- see if they spook and dive off the road.
  • whidbey: Like this is some sort of big deal and we don't follow the laws to begin with.

    But by all means, let's hear your anecdotal "evidence" about cyclists.



    OK, I'll play.


    Portland cops write hundreds of tickets a day, but when they write up a few cyclists, it makes the news.
  • Tahs4Evar: I saw a lovely example of why I hate cyclists recently. This was in Australia so most others will have to swap your left from right to understand. Sorry.


    Its not good (nor legal in most areas) to drive with such hatred. Perhaps you need some exercise - ever thought of taking up cycling?

    /if you are going to get so pissed off over a cyclist - you shouldn't be driving in the first place
  • As a former bicyclist, as I remember it, I had to obey traffic lights without a need for special lights.
  • Day_Old_Dutchie ......you sir.....thank you
  • JohnAnnArbor: whidbey: Like this is some sort of big deal and we don't follow the laws to begin with.

    But by all means, let's hear your anecdotal "evidence" about cyclists.

    Oh, some do. They're a conspicuous minority, though. Normal around here is to whip through 4-way stops without pause.


    I guess it really does depend where you are. I have seen cops giving cyclists tickets on the Burke-Gilman out in Seattle, though. Maybe some of those stops along the Canal may have a light soon enough.
  • Recently I met a Chicago DOT bicycle guy. They are installing two-way bike-only lanes on Dearborn in the Loop (the most high-traffic area in the city).

    I have a hard time picturing it. But soon enough we will see if it works.

    / I bike more miles than I drive
  • They signals are is common in Germany, Sweden and Australia, according to the study.

    FTFTFA
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    /cyclist haters gonna hate
  • ZAZ: The reason for the new signals? Bicyclists can be at risk when entering an intersection on a yellow light that allows enough time for cars to clear the intersection, but not for bikes, the study found. Even traditional green lights may not allow enough time for a bicyclist starting from a stopped position to make it across.

    You see a red bicycle and a green ball, what are you going to do? As the headline suggests, bicyclists are going to blow the red bicycle symbol and keep going until all the lights are red. And then 90% of them are going to keep going until there is actually a bus blocking the path. Judging by recent experience in Boston, 1% of them are going to keep going after that and have to be scraped off the wheels of the bus.


    Boston + bicycles = accidents waiting to happen everywhere and all the time.

    It's hard enough to drive there.
  • whidbey: Like this is some sort of big deal and we don't follow the laws to begin with.

    But by all means, let's hear your anecdotal "evidence" about cyclists.


    I never really had an opinion on cyclists until I got into grad school and moved to Seattle. Actually, I take that back. I used to ride my beach cruiser quite a bit in San Diego. But here it's all about "wah! Share the road!" when they're on actual roads with cars and trucks and shiat. farkin' assholes on the Burke Gilman though. It's like they think pedestrians don't belong on it. "On your left! ON YOUR LEFT!" No shiat. Slow the fark down and share the trail, asshole.

    /not calling you, whidbey, an asshole
    //but you asked for anecdotal evidence
  • Got into a debate between a bicyclist and myself over the summer. He was on his high horse about how he was better than us car drivers and was above paying attention to stop signs and traffic lights, saying that since cars had better braking ability we should be the ones on the look out for them. I simply explained to him that if he had the red, I had the green, I was going and if he didn't stop and collided with me, then he'd be just as at fault for running the red as I would be if he had the green and I ran the red. Then I reminded him that my car is a tank compared to him on a bicycle, so he's more than welcome to continue running red lights and stop signs, I wasn't going to weep for any dumbass who died thinking that being on a bicycle exempted him from the same safety rules and cars, and was thus killed by his own stupidity.

    He called me an uncaring bastard who needs to be more considerate of those I share the road with. And I am, both an uncaring bastard and someone who is considerate of those who I share the road with. We just need bicyclists like that dumbass to be considerate of the cars he shares the road with.
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