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  • You're doing a heckuva job, Whitey!
  • They were sent a check for $2,820 in rental assistance money. Raymond Saunderson, 77, said the money should go to those who truly need it.

    So cash it and hand out the money to someone who needs it or send it back to FEMA. **crickets** Yeah, that's what I thought.
  • abhorrent1: They were sent a check for $2,820 in rental assistance money. Raymond Saunderson, 77, said the money should go to those who truly need it.

    So cash it and hand out the money to someone who needs it or send it back to FEMA. **crickets** Yeah, that's what I thought.


    Did you read what came two sentences after that?

    ""Raymond Saunderson, 77, said the money should go to those who truly need it.

    You know, there are a lot of people who are without food, without lodging. I don't think it's right for me to keep it," he said. He said he plans to try to return the check to the FEMA center in Harvey Cedars."
  • abhorrent1: They were sent a check for $2,820 in rental assistance money. Raymond Saunderson, 77, said the money should go to those who truly need it.

    So cash it and hand out the money to someone who needs it or send it back to FEMA. **crickets** Yeah, that's what I thought.


    I guess you didn't read the next paragraph.

    He said he plans to try to return the check to the FEMA center in Harvey Cedars.
  • Then: FEMA under fire for slow disaster assistance payments bureaucratic incompetence. Now: FEMA under fire for fast disaster assistance payments additional but different bureaucratic incompetence 

    In FEMA's defense, it's called a DISASTER for a reason, sorting through human misery on a sizable scale will never be a neat and tidy undertaking.
  • "You know, there are a lot of people who are without food, without lodging. I don't think it's right for me to keep it," he said. He said he plans to try to return the check to the FEMA center in Harvey Cedars.

    From treasurydirect.gov:

    You can write a check payable to the Bureau of the Public Debt, and in the memo section, notate that it's a Gift to reduce the Debt Held by the Public. Mail your check to:

    Attn Dept G
    Bureau of the Public Debt
    P. O. Box 2188
    Parkersburg, WV 26106-2188


    there you go, feel free to send it back.

    //Some inefficiency is the cost of rapid response. Boo farking hoo, man up and deal with it, ya farking crybaby. It's the same with literally every human endeavour ever.
  • Ya know, we should always strive for perfection, but if the government is going to err when doling out money to support victims of a disaster I'd rather it be too much than too little.

    Would we prefer the situation to be more like the "support" we gave 9-11 first responders? Because I'm sure that saved us money . . .
  • Slashy addressed to the author of TFA, not the quoted old dude. Quoted old dude seems cool enough.
  • FEMA is one of those agencies that will piss someone off regardless of what it does. These payments have been standard for at least two decades. FEMA had harsh criticism heaped on it after Katrina for requiring people individually apply for this assistance. Poor people, as the line went, were being ignored in a sea of bureaucratic red tape. This was an outrage.

    FEMA should just do what it needs to do and let its critics fark off.
  • abhorrent1: They were sent a check for $2,820 in rental assistance money. Raymond Saunderson, 77, said the money should go to those who truly need it.

    So cash it and hand out the money to someone who needs it or send it back to FEMA. **crickets** Yeah, that's what I thought.


    FEMA was pretty much forcing money into people's hands around here, Telling you to start the process in case insurance denied you, was slow to respond, etc. Then you had the local governments running around telling everyone to do the same, as apparently the money local governments get is tied to individual claims in that area. We said no, because 1. We had insurance, 2. Our only real loss was something that was essentially our own fault 3. Didn't need it anyway. I pretty much had to chase the rep off.

    So I can understand someone getting a check and going, what the fark, I don't need this, and didn't expect it, there was a dude from the government here telling me to fill something out, so I complied.
  • Honestly it's probably cheaper than paying the bureaucracy to figure out who deserves how much. Just send a check to everyone affected, same amount , done.
  • "You know, there are a lot of people who are without food, without lodging. I don't think it's right for me to keep it," he said. He said he plans to try to return the check to the FEMA center in Harvey Cedars.


    My attitude was pretty much the same. Although we had plenty of damage, I was in no way going to accept FEMA money when others need it more.


    Of my three friends who lost everything, their dealings with FEMA have lukewarm so far.
  • Since I live on a flood plane, this is going in the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" file for me. I was just telling my sis about a week ago when it was raining and our backyard was flooding that she's on her own if Folsom Dam ever busts. If I managed to somehow hear the water rushing toward me, grab my grandma, my go bag and my cat and evade the water while shrieking hysterically to my mom and sis and son to "GTFO", I'd totally be living in a FEMA trailer without complaint. I'd also take their checks, which I did not previously know they gave, and buy cigarettes and akvavit so my sis and I could have drunken, late night Yahtzee tournaments.

    /we're just cool that way
    //hopes it never happens, cuz the suckage would be epic
  • Do as I say, not as I said.
  • Slow it down to half-fast, and it'll be OK.
  • Real Women Drink Akvavit: Since I live on a flood plane


    I thought they pulled that thing out of the Hudson after Shelly ditched it.
  • Havent they been having townhall style hullaballoos in NYC where people are claiming FEMA still hasnt done anything....

    Oh to be white and living in Ocean/monmouth county......
  • give me doughnuts: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Since I live on a flood plane

    I thought they pulled that thing out of the Hudson after Shelly ditched it.


    Capt Shelly is awesome.

    I misspelled, I know. I cook for a living, I'm not a linguist.

    /it's a flood plain, right?
  • Even if "You" don't need it, I am sure the local businesses who had their open hours affected by the various infrastructure shutdowns could use the support. Go out and buy things from them. Get the money into the local economy.
  • The year before Katrina hit in Mississippi they had Ivan. FEMA was just as incompetent then, and people found that they were not even bothering to check addresses and get basic data. And everyone noticed this and discussed it at great length, as they are wont to do when free money is available. So when Katrina rolled around, it was scam season open for business. People with relatives who lived in the area came from other states and got money. Wealthy people who lived in gated communities completely non affected by the storm got money. There was a couple of instances of people's pets getting money. And when it hit the newspapers, the honest folks were outraged, so they went around and selectively prosecuted some of the worst ones, at great cost to the government, and did PR with the media to make it seem like they cared.

    Also, FEMA has expanded. They took a bunch of people from our local area who were recently hired by FEMA up there. Every last stinking one of them are former deadbeat contractors or QA types from the local military base. I have had dealings with them over the years and these folks could fark up a wet dream. They are, to the last person, the biggest bunch of chairpolishing, expense account padding, "I will sue you", "it ain't my job" jackasses that it has ever been my misfortune to come across. They may be part of the problem as well.
  • Boudyro: Ya know, we should always strive for perfection, but if the government is going to err when doling out money to support victims of a disaster I'd rather it be too much than too little.

    Would we prefer the situation to be more like the "support" we gave 9-11 first responders? Because I'm sure that saved us money . . .


    I work for a state government and this is too true. We can't win. Either we have our jack boots on the necks of plucky and bootstrappy entrepreneurs or we are ignoring grave dangers to children because we're in bed with corporations and please can't we think of the children. Although I would be no means claim any government at any level is even remotely perfect remember that Dilbert, The Office, and the Consumerist are all focused on private industry snafus. Humans are all at the same level of dysfunction.
  • Am I the only person who saw this coming a mile away? FEMA's screwed no matter what it does. You can have slow oversight or fast chaos, especially in a disaster area. Not everyone's gonna have their social security card in hand, especially if the little piece of cardboard washed into the Atlantic or burned up in a fire. Forcing disaster victims through a red tape gauntlet is going to screw them over, but doling out assistance without asking questions means some of it's going to get wasted. One or the other!

    This is what you get when half the country pushes a "government sucks" mentality for 30 years. I'm all for oversight and criticism but people are yapping because FEMA is only doing the opposite of what got them in trouble the last time.

    Eps05: Honestly it's probably cheaper than paying the bureaucracy to figure out who deserves how much. Just send a check to everyone affected, same amount , done.


    I'd rather they just get the logistics for a refugee camp right. Three hots & a cot, plenty of clean clothes & security & medicine & plumbing, but no privacy. You can stay as long as you want and it's easy to get in or out, but anyone accustomed to higher standards of living will eventually try to get their normal lives back. People sneaking in to take advantage can't really steal anything to sell because all the food & blankets are being handed out for free. The squatters will want to never leave but as this is probably cheaper than the smorgasbord of welfare programs we're using right now, I have no qualms about making it a permanent solution. If everyone knows there's someplace to go, the ability of those to take advantage of the unfortunate is greatly diminished.
  • The government should stay out of our lives and do something!
  • dragonchild: I have no qualms about making it a permanent solution.


    You know who else had no qualms about making such camps a permanent solution?
  • johnryan51: The government should stay out of our lives and do something!


    But, but, smaller government, that will peer in your bedroom windows!

    /dude, the logic, it hurts...
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