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  • Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

    He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

    even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.
  • scottydoesntknow: Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

    He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

    even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.


    Waste not, want not.
  • was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

    Camera flashes are the universal sign for "man stuck on subway track."
  • Naeem Davis, 30, was taken into custody for questioning Tuesday

    "What's your name?"
    "Naeem."
    "That's right, what's your name?"
    "Naeem."
    "That's what I asked!"
    "That's my name."
    "What's your name?"
    "No, Naeem is."
    "Your name is...what?"
    "No, Naeem."
    *sigh* "Let's try this again. Give me your name."
    "That's what I'm telling you. Naeem Davis."
    "So, Davis is your first name?"
    "No, Davis is my last name."
    "And your first name?"
    "Naeem."
    "That's what I'm asking you!"
    ...
  • It was self-defense... Han shoved first.
  • Police said Davis made statements implicating himself in Ki-Suck Han's death.

    There's also video of him actually doing it...

    impaler: Camera flashes are the universal sign for "man stuck on subway track."


    Also, this ^. I'm not sure how I feel about no one going to help the guy, whether I think they are responsible/reprehensible or not. But don't farking try to pretend you're some savior when you're not.
  • scottydoesntknow: Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

    He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

    even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.


    In before 'photojournalism, how does it work?' assholes.
  • impaler: was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

    Camera flashes are the universal sign for "man stuck on subway track."


    Yup, and while he was being heroic and alerting the driver to something he wouldn't have been able to avoid anyway, he managed to line up a really nice shot!
  • Snarfangel: Naeem Davis, 30, was taken into custody for questioning Tuesday

    "What's your name?"
    "Naeem."
    "That's right, what's your name?"
    "Naeem."
    "That's what I asked!"
    "That's my name."
    "What's your name?"
    "No, Naeem is."
    "Your name is...what?"
    "No, Naeem."
    *sigh* "Let's try this again. Give me your name."
    "That's what I'm telling you. Naeem Davis."
    "So, Davis is your first name?"
    "No, Davis is my last name."
    "And your first name?"
    "Naeem."
    "That's what I'm asking you!"
    ...


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  • The guy is a known nut case panhandler. Therefore, lock his mentally deficient ass in a cage for the rest of his life.



    /Thanks Reagan!
  • Cythraul: In before 'photojournalism, how does it work?' assholes.


    Yeah, well here I am. The photographer, a credential professional on assignment, explained himself thoroughly and concisely. Whether or not you choose to believe him is your business. The Post is shiat for running the photo on the front page, but anyone who doesn't think the Post would do that is naive.

    The hate on this photographer is inexplicable to me, he did what he could given the situation. Unless he is actually Clark Kent of farking Peter Parker, I am pretty sure nothing else could be done.

    I saw him in the Today Show, he was neither of those two.
  • Snarfangel: Naeem Davis, 30, was taken into custody for questioning Tuesday

    "What's your name?"
    "Naeem."
    "That's right, what's your name?"
    "Naeem."
    "That's what I asked!"
    "That's my name."
    "What's your name?"
    "No, Naeem is."
    "Your name is...what?"
    "No, Naeem."
    *sigh* "Let's try this again. Give me your name."
    "That's what I'm telling you. Naeem Davis."
    "So, Davis is your first name?"
    "No, Davis is my last name."
    "And your first name?"
    "Naeem."
    "That's what I'm asking you!"
    ...


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    Approves of this exchange. Or ... well....maybe not.
  • Ennuipoet: Cythraul: In before 'photojournalism, how does it work?' assholes.

    Yeah, well here I am. The photographer, a credential professional on assignment, explained himself thoroughly and concisely. Whether or not you choose to believe him is your business. The Post is shiat for running the photo on the front page, but anyone who doesn't think the Post would do that is naive.

    The hate on this photographer is inexplicable to me, he did what he could given the situation. Unless he is actually Clark Kent of farking Peter Parker, I am pretty sure nothing else could be done.

    I saw him in the Today Show, he was neither of those two.


    People lost all sympathy for him when he decided to sell the photos to make a quick buck. If he was really a stand-up guy he wouldn't have taken the photo to some trashpaper and have it splashed over the front page for all to see.

    And please don't say this is like the self-immolating monk, or the Tank Man at Tiananmen Square. If this guy was trying to make a political statement by standing in front of a train, take all the pictures you want. But he was a man who did not want to die and did not want to make a statement. Nor is this like war where the photographers are in danger and trying to document the atrocities of war for future generations. This photo benefitted no one except the photographer and The Post.

    97% of the blame goes to the murderer who pushed him, 2% to The Post for being callous enough to print that as a giant front-page picture, and 1% for the guy who decided to make a quick buck at the expense of another human.
  • scottydoesntknow: People lost all sympathy for him when he decided to sell the photos to make a quick buck. If he was really a stand-up guy he wouldn't have taken the photo to some trashpaper and have it splashed over the front page for all to see.


    He was on assignment for The Post and contractually the person you are on assignment for usually has right of first refusal. Has he been working for the Daily News, the NYT or the WaPo we would be having the same conversation. (Though likely not about a Front Page photo) He took the photo to the Post, with the police, turned them over to the Photo Editor and the editorial staff made the decision to publish. They paid him for the work, but he didn't go running out waving his memory card to a group of the highest bidders, he was WORKING for the NYP at the time this occurred.
  • scottydoesntknow: Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

    He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

    even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.


    We're not doing this thread again, are we?
  • He said he was shocked that people nearer to the victim didn't try to help in the 22 seconds before the train struck.

    they somehow figured out they had a total of 22 seconds to rescue the guy? That's a very small window. I definitely would have had a 5-second process the whole situation delay going on for me. It would take at least ten seconds to pull Han up and clear him from the path of the train even for a weightlifter given the type of lift and distance of the lift, not counting the initial setup which would be another five seconds.
  • SlothB77: scottydoesntknow: Glad they caught the guy, and he's a much bigger villain than anyone else in the story, but:

    He [Abbassi] told NBC's "Today" show Wednesday that he wasn't trying to take a photo of the man, but was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

    even if that is the case, the photographer still didn't need to sell the shots to a newspaper, and The Post sure as hell didn't need to publish them on the front page of it's trashpaper.

    We're not doing this thread again, are we?


    you could have done something to steer the thread in a different direction and save it, but instead you just posted to memorialize that it was happening. honestly, you're the real monster in all of this.
  • PreMortem: The guy is a known nut case panhandler. Therefore, lock his mentally deficient ass in a cage for the rest of his life.



    /Thanks Reagan!


    Reagan was the Governor of California not New York and the laws that closed the mental institutions in California were signed in to law by the out going governor Pat Brown not Reagan.
  • Can we go back to institutionalizing the mentally ill now?
  • The man is homeless so I think he's in jail as it is already, now he'll get a nice prison cell with a change of clothes and possible TV. And as for prison rape, please the guy probably sucked dick already for half a shaving of crack and a quarter bottle of Wild Turkey so you can only imagine what he'll do for protection/loose cigarettes.
  • impaler: was trying to alert the motorman to what was going on by flashing his camera.

    Camera flashes are the universal sign for "man stuck on subway track."


    Later, we'll here from the train engineer: "I could've stopped the train in time, but some jackass was taking a bunch of pictures right in front of me. It threw me off. I couldn't see anything."
  • This is why NYC needs to be nuked from orbit.
  • This is what I don't understand. I've seen video prior to the push and it shows the victim pretty much in the face of the crazy guy. The crazy guy is screaming at him to go away and leave him alone. Why was the victim basically "poking crazy with a stick"? If an obviously disturbed individual is screaming at you to leave him alone, you might want to leave crazy alone.
  • Thanks for the NYC story, Seattle PI
  • Ow! That was my feelings!: This is what I don't understand. I've seen video prior to the push and it shows the victim pretty much in the face of the crazy guy. The crazy guy is screaming at him to go away and leave him alone. Why was the victim basically "poking crazy with a stick"? If an obviously disturbed individual is screaming at you to leave him alone, you might want to leave crazy alone.


    And this is why I honestly dont think he will go to jail. Maybe a mental institution for a while.
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