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  • So, people who cause more wear and tear on the roads have to pay more to maintain them? Can we also adjust it to be based on vehicle weight?
  • As an Oklahoma resident, I approve of this 100%. Also, yes let's please make it based on weight.

    /just about every vehicle here is a giant 6 wheeled truck that can't drive worth a damn
  • Reasons Montana Rules #6598543:

    Hybrids pay MORE in vehicular tax per year.

    /Enjoy your toxic chemicals, and the fact that your vehicle is more damaging to the environment than the oil you won't use!
  • Oh for fark's sake, just raise the farking gas tax. Base it on revenue produced by hybrids to start with, putting pressure on everyone else to get rid of their gas guzzlers. It's a much better alternative than letting the government track mileage.
  • So, people who cause more wear and tear on the roads have to pay more to maintain them? Can we also adjust it to be based on vehicle weight?

    If this hits Mississippi, there's going to be a record surplus.
  • That's the way to boost revenue: encourage people to stay home and not go anywhere
  • highwayrun: That's the way to boost revenue: encourage people to stay home and not go anywhere

    If more people stayed home, I would go out more often.

    // ever since black Friday, I've had to take an alternate route home because my preferred route goes by a major mall and the freeway there is always backed up around the holiday time. I see some WFH remote desktop sessions in my future.
  • RedPhoenix122: So, people who cause more wear and tear on the roads have to pay more to maintain them? Can we also adjust it to be based on vehicle weight?


    Fark headline in 2018: "As composite and increasingly lightweight cars make it nearly impossible to finance road maintenance via vehicle weight tax, Washington State considers imposing a per trip tax. Your number of engine starts this month, please."
  • Sure, track mileage. Then enforce gps devices so the gov can know just where you're using those miles, Why not personal gps chips for the times when you're not driving? For your safety and tax purposes, of course.

    Fark off.
  • The real problem is that an odometer doesn't know whether you're driving in state or out of state. If it's a state tax, it can't be charged on miles driven out-of-state. And that means that if it passes, your state will require your vehicle to have a GPS logger on it.

    Oregon, 2003
    California, 2005
    Oregon, 2008
    Oregon, again, 2009
    Three Guesses What State, and Any Guesses That Aren't Oregon Don't Count, 2012.

    Dear Oregon, fark you. Dear neighboring states to Oregon, just give whatever lobbyist is in Oregon a lump sum of cash to STFU and retire. All I want is the ability to go out for a nice morning drive in something that predates the motor law.
  • robohobo: Sure, track mileage. Then enforce gps devices so the gov can know just where you're using those miles, Why not personal gps chips for the times when you're not driving? For your safety and tax purposes, of course.

    Fark off.


    For the children! War on terra!

    Yes, the intent is absolutely to track movements. Protip: Many traffic cams already have license plate and facial recognition ability on the back end. Now pick up that can, citizen.
  • VRaptor117: RedPhoenix122: So, people who cause more wear and tear on the roads have to pay more to maintain them? Can we also adjust it to be based on vehicle weight?

    Fark headline in 2018: "As composite and increasingly lightweight cars make it nearly impossible to finance road maintenance via vehicle weight tax, Washington State considers imposing a per trip tax. Your number of engine starts this month, please."


    If cars weigh less wouldn't there be less need for road maintenance?
  • RedPhoenix122: So, people who cause more wear and tear on the roads have to pay more to maintain them? Can we also adjust it to be based on vehicle weight?


    They already do. Or at least vehicles that weigh over 55K and travel over 5,000 miles during the tax period.
  • Oh, I know, how about the state stop spending a huge portion of gas taxes on EVERYTHING but roads. I'm looking at you, Califarkia.

    /grrrrrrrrrrrr
  • Why not simply make sure that the DOT has the budget that it needs to maintain things ? The gas tax bs is just that- bs. I welcome alternative energy vehicles as I see the big picture, not a small section of a large painting. Unlike many who will no doubt follow, commentwise.
  • Haven't read article or thread, but, wouldn't this be illegal since the State can't determine where the driving occurred? State roads shouldn't benefit from county/city/out-of-state usage if usage is the rationale for taxing. So that means turnpikes at every political border, or this is an undeveloped (dumb) idea?
  • RedPhoenix122: So, people who cause more wear and tear on the roads have to pay more to maintain them? Can we also adjust it to be based on vehicle weight?


    Commercial vehicle tax rates

    Also plates and licenses for large trucks are typically much more expensive than personal cars - typically in the low thousands per year per vehicle.
  • Just have Obama borrow more money from China. Hell, just lease the roads to China, and let them maintain them. They seem to be pretty good at that kind of shiat, well, at least when they were building our railroads.
  • Speaking as a Washington resident who averages only 12,000 miles per year:

    How about no? Does no work for you?
  • Aquapope: Haven't read article or thread, but, wouldn't this be illegal since the State can't determine where the driving occurred? State roads shouldn't benefit from county/city/out-of-state usage if usage is the rationale for taxing. So that means turnpikes at every political border, or this is an undeveloped (dumb) idea?


    People would just register their vehicles out of state. Some people already do it. States could say that the vast majority of people drive in-state, and add expensive bureaucracy where you submit forms explaining how much mileage you do out of state (because that's obviously the solution).

    Adding GPS trackers would be useless. They already have trouble keeping track of people on probation with trackers.
  • lordargent: If more people stayed home, I would go out more often.


    I loved it when gas was over $5.50 gallon during a panic a few years ago. No hoodlum teens at the malls or movie theaters, ample parking day and night, fewer traffic jams. It was worth every extra penny at the pump.


    VRaptor117: As composite and increasingly lightweight cars make it nearly impossible to finance road maintenance via vehicle weight tax...


    Lighter vehicles cause less wear and tear to roadways. In theory, the state would have to perform less maintenance if everyone drove lighter cars. They'd still be farked regarding the funding of capacity expansion, but you can fund that via tolls.

    Besides, there is only so much weight than can be shaved from a vehicle without resorting to very expensive exotic materials. Most of the cutting edge alloys that automakers are currently eying shave only about 20% off the weight. Unless there is some unforeseen drop in the cost of manufacturing non-brittle composites, they're not going to be cost effective anytime soon.
  • lordargent: If more people stayed home, I would go out more often.


    Nobody goes there anymore because it's too crowded.
  • Eps05: RedPhoenix122: So, people who cause more wear and tear on the roads have to pay more to maintain them? Can we also adjust it to be based on vehicle weight?

    Commercial vehicle tax rates

    Also plates and licenses for large trucks are typically much more expensive than personal cars - typically in the low thousands per year per vehicle.


    Thanks, that's what I was thinking of.
  • Hybrids and fuel-efficient traditional cars no longer generating enough gas tax revenue? Tack on some sort of additional surcharge for vehicles that get below (x) MPG. Allow exemptions if they can prove "look I NEED this big-ass gas guzzler for my contractor (or whatever) job. Otherwise, you don't NEED that big-ass truck. You can certainly buy one, but don't expect any sympathy when you biatch and moan about the cost of fueling the damn thing. I have friends like that; they had a kid--ONE KID- and immediately bought the biggest SUV they could. SUVs whose tires will never taste dirt. And they complain every time they fuel up. And i bite my tongue and roll my eyes.
  • RedPhoenix122

    So, people who cause more wear and tear on the roads have to pay more to maintain them? Can we also adjust it to be based on vehicle weight?

    I typed up a paragraph explaining how much of a typical liberal assclown you are but I decided to just call you a farking idiot.
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