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  • There was an interesting explanation in the related thread on Slashdot that seems to point to the cause:
    The root cause of this, and many of the other errors in city location observed throughout Australia, is actually quite simple and I don't know why Apple haven't fixed it yet. It was a bit of a facepalm moment when I realised what was actually going on with the Australian maps on iOS6.

    Basically there are two problems:

    1. Apple Maps is marking the centre of local government areas (analogous to a county, for American readers) as a point location, rather than a name for a large area of land (i.e. it's treating them as locations you can navigate to); and

    2. In the case that a search query matches both a local government area name, AND a town name ... it preferences the local government area (which as mentioned, is being mapped as an exact point roughly in the middle of the area, generally in the middle of nowhere)

    For example, follow the Hume Highway south from Sydney a little way and you will see a point marked as Wingecaribee, east of the highway, roughly in the vicinity of where the town of Moss Vale is (though, as noted, the GUI chooses to display Wingecaribee prominently, but doesn't mark Moss Vale or any other towns at all, unless you zoom in really close). The point marked as Wingecaribee is just a random spot in rugged forested terrain. Nothing's actually there. This is simply the centre of the Wingecaribee Shire. But there is no actual town called Wingecaribee so apart from looking weird, this doesn't hurt anything.

    BUT ... keep following the highway south and you will soon come to the next shire, Goulburn Shire. Again, the centre of this local government area is marked as a point, called "Goulburn" and again, it's not anywhere near anything. It's in the middle of some random farmer's field somewhere. BUT THIS TIME, we have a problem, because within Goulburn Shire, there is actually also a town called Goulburn. But if you search for 'Goulburn', you are directed to the centre of the Goulburn Shire, NOT the town. This is completely retarded, as noone ever searches for things by local government area name in Australia (many people don't even know the name of their LGA ... they aren't as prominently known as counties in the US), and even if they did, wouldn't want to be directed to some arbitrary point near the middle of it with no regard for whether there's anything there.

    This is what has happened in TFA too. There is a Mildura local government area. Within that, there is also a city called Mildura. But the city isn't marked; only the centre of the LGA. Which as stated, is in the middle of bloody nowhere.

    Basically whoever processed the Australian mapping data has interpreted LGA (shire, county etc.) names as locality (town, city) names. And has given them prominence in both display and search results over actual localities. Should be simple to fix, surely. The data is there - it's just being used incorrectly.


    I wonder if we have the same problem in the states... anyone know of a name that's shared by a town and county where the town isn't in the center of the county?
  • So they're having problems with finding strangers in the Alps?
  • Where have I seen something similar?

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  • In which the term "to Darwin" refers to ending up in that shiathole?
  • Is Apple's map app really that bad? I don't use a map app much, so I can't really judge. I have played with Apple's new map app and I was surprised at how much more accurate the GPS is. Google Maps could get me in my neighborhood, but only rarely within a block of my house. Apple's not only places me at my house, but on the correct side of it, if I'm out in the yard. So I'm guessing the main problem is poor map metadata?
  • A few weeks ago I asked Apple Maps to direct me to the IKEA in Elizabeth, NJ. It directed me to the end of a dead-end street, underneath an overpass, a good five miles away from the IKEA, and then cheerfully informed me that I had arrived at my destination. That was pretty sketchy.

    I like the new iOS, but since then, we've been relying on my wife's Android phone for GPS navigation. Apple Maps simply was released half-baked and not ready for primetime. Very un-Apple-like to release such a shoddy product.
  • Doc Daneeka: A few weeks ago I asked Apple Maps to direct me to the IKEA in Elizabeth, NJ. It directed me to the end of a dead-end street, underneath an overpass, a good five miles away from the IKEA, and then cheerfully informed me that I had arrived at my destination. That was pretty sketchy.

    I like the new iOS, but since then, we've been relying on my wife's Android phone for GPS navigation. Apple Maps simply was released half-baked and not ready for primetime. Very un-Apple-like to release such a shoddy product.


    I find it odd how Steve had an intense hatred of Google for various reasons, but even he was smart enough not to dump Google maps on the device. It was his successors who did it in a horribly half assed fashion.

    /come on Apple just admit the farkup and release an update where you can select Apple or google maps
  • The GPS is there to help out your trip planning. You're supposed to verify the route, the destinations, etc. And for Christ's sake people, read the road signs along the way.
  • Doc Daneeka: A few weeks ago I asked Apple Maps to direct me to the IKEA in Elizabeth, NJ. It directed me to the end of a dead-end street, underneath an overpass, a good five miles away from the IKEA, and then cheerfully informed me that I had arrived at my destination. That was pretty sketchy.

    I like the new iOS, but since then, we've been relying on my wife's Android phone for GPS navigation. Apple Maps simply was released half-baked and not ready for primetime. Very un-Apple-like to release such a shoddy product.


    There's an application called GPS Drive, which is quite good. It's free, but they want to to pay them $$ for the voice direction (you get it as a trial for 30 days). As I posted earlier, I don't use map apps much. But I did put Apple's to the test by asking it to route me from home to my house in the mountains. It selected two appropriate routes and both were accurate. Positioning was dead on the whole trip. I think Apple's app will get better. I remember everyone leveling the same criticisms against Google when their map app was new and today it's solid.
  • Subby, don't Tazman me, you devil.
  • Theaetetus: I wonder if we have the same problem in the states... anyone know of a name that's shared by a town and county where the town isn't in the center of the county?


    How about Essex, Massachusetts?
  • Anyone travelling to Mildura or other locations within Victoria should rely on other forms of mapping until this matter is rectified," the police concluded.


    At least it didn't send them to Miranda
  • hogans: Theaetetus: I wonder if we have the same problem in the states... anyone know of a name that's shared by a town and county where the town isn't in the center of the county?

    How about Essex, Massachusetts?


    Where does it tell you "Jacksonville, FL" is?
  • ThunderChild: So they're having problems with finding strangers in the Alps?


    You are mixing up Australia with Austria, which seems to be a common mistake for some reason. One has Barbies and boxing kangaroos and the other has leather pants and Hitlers. They both start with "Austr", but one ends quickly with a "ia" and the other kinda stretches out. They have similar names because Austrailia was settled by prisoners from Austria and they wanted to make it feel like home, but that was a long time ago (in the BC era) so they people evolved over generations to become shrunken dark dudes with bones in their noses and no shirts (or "Outbacks") to better survive the harsh desert like conditions. And finally, Australia is almost twice the size of Austria and about 1,000 miles away (in any direction cause it's on the other side of the Earth).
  • That's downright esoteric, subs.

    /unless you're really into operating systems
  • BigLuca: ThunderChild: So they're having problems with finding strangers in the Alps?

    You are mixing up Australia with Austria, which seems to be a common mistake for some reason. One has Barbies and boxing kangaroos and the other has leather pants and Hitlers. They both start with "Austr", but one ends quickly with a "ia" and the other kinda stretches out. They have similar names because Austrailia was settled by prisoners from Austria and they wanted to make it feel like home, but that was a long time ago (in the BC era) so they people evolved over generations to become shrunken dark dudes with bones in their noses and no shirts (or "Outbacks") to better survive the harsh desert like conditions. And finally, Australia is almost twice the size of Austria and about 1,000 miles away (in any direction cause it's on the other side of the Earth).


    New here, huh? It 's a "thing" to deliberately confuse the two.
  • Russ1642: The GPS is there to help out your trip planning. You're supposed to verify the route, the destinations, etc. And for Christ's sake people, read the road signs along the way.


    You'd be shocked at just how many young people today wouldn't even know where to start. I know a few people who, if you took their smartphone or tablet away from them, they'd instantly panic and become helpless. They can't be blamed, though. They have grown up being taught to depend on technology instead of their intellect and they were never taught basic skills.
  • BigLuca: ThunderChild: So they're having problems with finding strangers in the Alps?

    You are mixing up Australia with Austria, which seems to be a common mistake for some reason. One has Barbies and boxing kangaroos and the other has leather pants and Hitlers. They both start with "Austr", but one ends quickly with a "ia" and the other kinda stretches out. They have similar names because Austrailia was settled by prisoners from Austria and they wanted to make it feel like home, but that was a long time ago (in the BC era) so they people evolved over generations to become shrunken dark dudes with bones in their noses and no shirts (or "Outbacks") to better survive the harsh desert like conditions. And finally, Australia is almost twice the size of Austria and about 1,000 miles away (in any direction cause it's on the other side of the Earth).


    Upon checking your profile, you are most decidedly *not* new here. Maybe you just don't come around as often.

    It's a very stupid meme.
  • hogans: Theaetetus: I wonder if we have the same problem in the states... anyone know of a name that's shared by a town and county where the town isn't in the center of the county?

    How about Essex, Massachusetts?


    Looks to be northwest of South Hamilton, between Highland and Bay, so too far west.

    Mr Guy: Where does it tell you "Jacksonville, FL" is?


    Right downtown. But, it looks like that's also the center of Jacksonville county.
  • ha-ha-guy: /come on Apple just admit the farkup and release an update where you can select Apple or google maps


    This. Time for a little humility.

    Won't hurt for too long, will do a lot to enhance your reputation, since everyone pretty much knows you farked up.
  • aagrajag: BigLuca: ThunderChild: So they're having problems with finding strangers in the Alps?

    You are mixing up Australia with Austria, which seems to be a common mistake for some reason. One has Barbies and boxing kangaroos and the other has leather pants and Hitlers. They both start with "Austr", but one ends quickly with a "ia" and the other kinda stretches out. They have similar names because Austrailia was settled by prisoners from Austria and they wanted to make it feel like home, but that was a long time ago (in the BC era) so they people evolved over generations to become shrunken dark dudes with bones in their noses and no shirts (or "Outbacks") to better survive the harsh desert like conditions. And finally, Australia is almost twice the size of Austria and about 1,000 miles away (in any direction cause it's on the other side of the Earth).

    New here, huh? It 's a "thing" to deliberately confuse the two.


    Might want to re-read that paragraph.
  • Temporarily Qualmless: ha-ha-guy: /come on Apple just admit the farkup and release an update where you can select Apple or google maps

    This. Time for a little humility.


    Part of the problem there is that Google wasn't updating the Maps app, while they were providing tons of updates on Android.
  • Theaetetus: anyone know of a name that's shared by a town and county where the town isn't in the center of the county?


    In Kansas, there is a county called Wichita near the Colorado border. The city of Wichita is in Sedgwick county, in south-central Kansas. There is also a city called Sedgwick which is in Harvey county.
  • I still refuse to update the iOs on my phone because of this bullshiat. It's starting to become extremely inconvenient as more and more apps are requiring the latest version to install properly

    /may be time to finally jailbreak the thing
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