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  • All that shows is scientist are worse than the average population when it comes to group-think.
  • Oh good, I'm glad this was greened, even if it wasn't my headline.
  • OK fine you win, climate change is real.

    So lets all give more money to the government.
  • There's also this simple little fact: if you were born after February 1985, you have never experienced a month where the global temperature was below the 20th century average. One month proves nothing. One year proves nothing. 332 months in a row? Only an ignorant fool would claim temperatures are not rising when confronted with the near statistical impossibility of that fact.
  • I'll always have, in the back of my mind, the fact that some scientists faked their data a couple years ago.

    I'm not an idiot, it just made me skeptical.
  • GAT_00: There's also this simple little fact: if you were born after February 1985, you have never experienced a month where the global temperature was below the 20th century average. One month proves nothing. One year proves nothing. 332 months in a row? Only an ignorant fool would claim temperatures are not rising when confronted with the near statistical impossibility of that fact.

    Dont get me wrong, I think we as humans have changed the climate, but.. we are looking at data from ~100 years, the world is 6 billion years old (or 4000 if that is your thing). It is still a really small sample size.

    //dont worry, I think we need to get off fosell fuels, and have clean air too
    /// am a hippy (not really a dirty one though)
  • You mean only 99.8% of the peer-reviewed articles on Global Warming support the lies?

    And you Warmies claim to have a scientific concensus. HA!
  • tobcc: Dont get me wrong, I think we as humans have changed the climate, but.. we are looking at data from ~100 years, the world is 6 billion years old (or 4000 if that is your thing). It is still a really small sample size.


    Which is why I said versus the 20th century average.
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    /hot like, well, you know
  • Hurricane Sandy, a category 1 hurricane, managed to top FEMAs 1983 projected 500-year flooding mark, which was rather sobering.
     
    Whether it's the magic hippo or everyone peeing while swimming, sea level is much much higher than it was 100 or even 20 years ago.
  • tobcc: Dont get me wrong, I think we as humans have changed the climate, but.. we are looking at data from ~100 years, the world is 6 billion years old (or 4000 if that is your thing). It is still a really small sample size.


    I have a clock that is 80 years old, but I don't need to observe it for a decade to determine its periodicity and any variations thereof.
  • Consensus =/= science. Still.
  • BravadoGT: Consensus =/= science. Still.


    Uh. What about the scientific method and rigor is so f*cking hard to understand?
  • Almost all of the pie is gone!
  • BravadoGT: Consensus =/= science. Still.


    Reviewing a peer's work and challenging it and failing to reverse the finding is.
  • tobcc: Dont get me wrong, I think we as humans have changed the climate, but.. we are looking at data from ~100 years, the world is 6 billion years old (or 4000 if that is your thing). It is still a really small sample size.


    This is wrong. We have data going back much, much, much further:

    Link

    Scroll down to temperature and CO2 graph.

    Of course understanding how we can reconstruct temperature data requires understanding a bit more science, therefore many will dismiss it. It is interesting that they can reconstruct CO2 levels, and dust levels as well.
  • Science thrives on dissenting ideas, it grows and learns from them.

    While that may be true of science, it is not always true of scientists.
  • tobcc: we are looking at data from ~100 years, the world is 6 billion years old (or 4000 if that is your thing). It is still a really small sample size.


    WRONG!! Ice core samples, we have data going back 800,000 years
  • Lucky LaRue: All that shows is scientist are worse than the average population when it comes to group-think.



    Sure, Jim Inhofe.
  • BigBurrito: tobcc: Dont get me wrong, I think we as humans have changed the climate, but.. we are looking at data from ~100 years, the world is 6 billion years old (or 4000 if that is your thing). It is still a really small sample size.

    This is wrong. We have data going back much, much, much further:

    Link

    Scroll down to temperature and CO2 graph.

    Of course understanding how we can reconstruct temperature data requires understanding a bit more science, therefore many will dismiss it. It is interesting that they can reconstruct CO2 levels, and dust levels as well.


    //shakes fist and leaves
  • Mangoose: While that may be true of science, it is not always true of scientists.


    The Scientist is not so important to Science. Science moves forward. Sometimes a Scientist can move Science forward faster (Newton, Einstein, many others) but it moves regardless of the Scientist. It builds slowly, sometimes, rarely, very quickly.

    Perhaps that is too conceptual.
  • zedster: tobcc: we are looking at data from ~100 years, the world is 6 billion years old (or 4000 if that is your thing). It is still a really small sample size.

    WRONG!! Ice core samples, we have data going back 800,000 years


    and the the formation of rocks helps us know about carbon and temperature levels as well. we get back much further than 800k with that.
  • Book of Genesis:

    9:11 I will establish my covenant with you; neither will all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of the flood; neither will there any more be a flood to destroy the earth."

    9:12 God said, "This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

    9:13 I set my rainbow in the cloud, and it will be for a sign of a covenant between me and the earth.

    9:14 It will happen, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow will be seen in the cloud,

    9:15 and I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh, and the waters will no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

    9:16 The rainbow will be in the cloud. I will look at it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth."

    9:17 God said to Noah, "This is the token of the covenant which I have established between me and all flesh that is on the earth."


    I'll take God's solemn word over any egghead's any day.
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