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  • In Philip Morris's home state? Good luck with that.
  • Virginia was built on tobacco.

    Bite the hand that feeds,,,
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    People want to whine about their taxes going to pay for ridiculous government benefit plans? This is how you reduce the cost of the plan, in the long run. At some point in the future, the Commonwealth will also wrap its head around the fact that being a smoker is not a protected class for civil rights purposes. You can't fire a drunk (as an addict, they have to be given the chance to get treatment for the addiction as a disability), but you can refuse to hire one. Being a smoker should not be treated any differently.
  • employees, government or otherwise, attend mandatory classes all the time. I fail to see what the issue is.
  • I like the idea, but the argument has to be framed just right. Many things are harmful or unhealthy, but do we want our employers or our schools telling us we have to wear helmets when we ride bikes, or else face termination? No soda, or fail a review? Don't drive too fast, or get docked a grade?

    And damn it, if smoking is so terrible why not just outlaw it? Why pussy foot around it?
  • ModernLuddite: Many things are harmful or unhealthy, but do we want our employers or our schools telling us we have to wear helmets when we ride bikes, or else face termination? No soda, or fail a review? Don't drive too fast, or get docked a grade?


    how about mandatory training on how we should wear helmets when we ride bikes? Or a training film about the ill effects of pop(not soda)? or a seminar on why people shouldn't drive fast?

    because that's all this is. a class.
  • Come see me. Don't want to spam the hellouttafark....so you'll just have to find me.

    PuffnStuff can get you off those stanksticks.

    VA Doc says I'm a non-smoker now.
  • The sensation I get from smoking is that of a railroad worker, enjoying the rustic scenery in the 1800's.
  • ModernLuddite: I like the idea, but the argument has to be framed just right. Many things are harmful or unhealthy, but do we want our employers or our schools telling us we have to wear helmets when we ride bikes, or else face termination? No soda, or fail a review? Don't drive too fast, or get docked a grade?

    And damn it, if smoking is so terrible why not just outlaw it? Why pussy foot around it?


    As a former insurance agent... people who have speeding tickets on their record can be rejected as job applicants at insurance companies. Not wearing a helmet is another traffic offense that can be used to make an adverse employment decision, in the right industry. And soldiers in the Army are currently being discharged for being too fat to do their jobs.
  • A meteor just needs to smite us right the fark out of existence...again.
  • ... all the fatties have to attend weight-loss counselling too.

    /didn't think so
  • cedarpark: ... all the fatties have to attend weight-loss counselling too.


    The way we're headed, I wouldn't be surprised.
  • I'm okay with this.

    smoking needs to die.
  • HotWingAgenda: ModernLuddite: I like the idea, but the argument has to be framed just right. Many things are harmful or unhealthy, but do we want our employers or our schools telling us we have to wear helmets when we ride bikes, or else face termination? No soda, or fail a review? Don't drive too fast, or get docked a grade?

    And damn it, if smoking is so terrible why not just outlaw it? Why pussy foot around it?

    As a former insurance agent... people who have speeding tickets on their record can be rejected as job applicants at insurance companies. Not wearing a helmet is another traffic offense that can be used to make an adverse employment decision, in the right industry. And soldiers in the Army are currently being discharged for being too fat to do their jobs.



    That last one is a little different. If you are unable to perform you duties there are going to be issues no matter where you are. In the case of the Army there can be slightly bigger consequences.
  • George Orwell, an inveterate chain smoker, once wrote an essay about his idea of the perfect pub. It would have a beer garden for the children, a selection of real ales, good food of the plowman's lunch type, and so on. Nowhere did he mention a ban on smoking. It would never have entered the seething mind of the author of 1984.
  • cedarpark: ... all the fatties have to attend weight-loss counselling too.

    /didn't think so



    All the fatties have to attend villages in Africa and be BBQed.
  • phrawgh: George Orwell, an inveterate chain smoker, once wrote an essay about his idea of the perfect pub. It would have a beer garden for the children, a selection of real ales, good food of the plowman's lunch type, and so on. Nowhere did he mention a ban on smoking. It would never have entered the seething mind of the author of 1984.


    I'm certain he also didn't understand the horrible health effects that second hand smoke has on people. But nice try.
  • cedarpark: ... all the fatties have to attend weight-loss counselling too.

    /didn't think so


    This. And it should take priority over smoking classes.
  • The All-Powerful Atheismo: phrawgh: George Orwell, an inveterate chain smoker, once wrote an essay about his idea of the perfect pub. It would have a beer garden for the children, a selection of real ales, good food of the plowman's lunch type, and so on. Nowhere did he mention a ban on smoking. It would never have entered the seething mind of the author of 1984.

    I'm certain he also didn't understand the horrible health effects that second hand smoke has on people. But nice try.


    Are you so sure?

    Old Major warns, "Your resolution must never falter. No argument must lead you astray. Never listen when they tell you that Man and the animals have a common interest....we must not come to resemble him...No animal must ever live in a house or sleep in a bed, or wear clothes, or drink alcohol, or smoke tobacco, or touch money, or engage in trade." - Animal Farm
  • phrawgh: The All-Powerful Atheismo: phrawgh: George Orwell, an inveterate chain smoker, once wrote an essay about his idea of the perfect pub. It would have a beer garden for the children, a selection of real ales, good food of the plowman's lunch type, and so on. Nowhere did he mention a ban on smoking. It would never have entered the seething mind of the author of 1984.

    I'm certain he also didn't understand the horrible health effects that second hand smoke has on people. But nice try.

    Are you so sure?

    Old Major warns, "Your resolution must never falter. No argument must lead you astray. Never listen when they tell you that Man and the animals have a common interest....we must not come to resemble him...No animal must ever live in a house or sleep in a bed, or wear clothes, or drink alcohol, or smoke tobacco, or touch money, or engage in trade." - Animal Farm


    Right, because wearing clothes, is an evil, filthy habit that kills the ones you love.
  • phrawgh: Are you so sure?

    Old Major warns, "Your resolution must never falter. No argument must lead you astray. Never listen when they tell you that Man and the animals have a common interest....we must not come to resemble him...No animal must ever live in a house or sleep in a bed, or wear clothes, or drink alcohol, or smoke tobacco, or touch money, or engage in trade." - Animal Farm



    not big on reading are you?
  • log_jammin: phrawgh: Are you so sure?

    Old Major warns, "Your resolution must never falter. No argument must lead you astray. Never listen when they tell you that Man and the animals have a common interest....we must not come to resemble him...No animal must ever live in a house or sleep in a bed, or wear clothes, or drink alcohol, or smoke tobacco, or touch money, or engage in trade." - Animal Farm


    not big on reading are you?


    Nah he basically missed the only point to what I said.
  • The All-Powerful Atheismo: Nah he basically missed the only point to what I said.


    BUT HE SAID ANIMALS SHOULDN'T SMOKE TOBACCO!!!!
  • The All-Powerful Atheismo: log_jammin: phrawgh: Are you so sure?

    Old Major warns, "Your resolution must never falter. No argument must lead you astray. Never listen when they tell you that Man and the animals have a common interest....we must not come to resemble him...No animal must ever live in a house or sleep in a bed, or wear clothes, or drink alcohol, or smoke tobacco, or touch money, or engage in trade." - Animal Farm


    not big on reading are you?

    Nah he basically missed the only point to what I said.


    He might have just been trying to emphasize the bit about never changing your mind or letting someone persuade you.
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