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  • 27% geeze that's over half!!
  • No... it's closer to 11/8th of every class.
  • But on the plus side, they feel 53% better about their scores.
  • twenty-eleven percent

    Uhhh....That's the joke, right?
  • Apos: twenty-eleven percent

    Uhhh....That's the joke, right?


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  • American fourth-graders are performing better than they were four years ago in math and reading

    news flash: first graders aren't very good at math and reading, when compared to 4th graders.

    / I know, I know...
  • serial_crusher: American fourth-graders are performing better than they were four years ago in math and reading

    news flash: first graders aren't very good at math and reading, when compared to 4th graders.

    / I know, I know...


    Even scarier, our first graders have fallen behind Korean fetuses in reading!!
  • Lberal media conveniently left out the part about how we've jumped from 50th to 2nd in Creationism Science. Look out, Saudi Arabia! We're gaining on you!
  • has america ever been first in these studies? the media makes a big deal out of our slipping advantage in educated kids, but i feel like i've been hearing that same story my entire life.
  • Perhaps because instead of focusing on "skills" the modern education system focuses on passing standardized tests.
  • timujin: Perhaps because instead of focusing on "skills" the modern education system focuses on passing standardized tests.


    then why didn't we do better on this standardized test?
  • thomps: has america ever been first in these studies? the media makes a big deal out of our slipping advantage in educated kids, but i feel like i've been hearing that same story my entire life.


    From about the time this went up:
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    to the time we did this:

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    There was a massive concerted and antional effort to improve Math and science skills in this country and train more scientists and engineers since it was consiered a matter of national security. After that? Not so much.
  • Lionel Mandrake: Apos: twenty-eleven percent

    Uhhh....That's the joke, right?

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    Thought so. On a related note, FL finally has something to proudly boast of!
  • thomps: timujin: Perhaps because instead of focusing on "skills" the modern education system focuses on passing standardized tests.

    then why didn't we do better on this standardized test?


    Kind of my point. They focus so much on passing one particular test, rather than learning simply how arithmetic and mathematics work, that when presented with anything other than that test students perform poorly.
  • Magorn: thomps: has america ever been first in these studies? the media makes a big deal out of our slipping advantage in educated kids, but i feel like i've been hearing that same story my entire life.

    From about the time this went up:
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    to the time we did this:

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    There was a massive concerted and antional effort to improve Math and science skills in this country and train more scientists and engineers since it was consiered a matter of national security. After that? Not so much.


    We don't care much about edumacating our kids unless there's bragging rights to be gained over godless commies.
  • thomps: timujin: Perhaps because instead of focusing on "skills" the modern education system focuses on passing standardized tests.

    then why didn't we do better on this standardized test?


    I think the key word that you need to realize here is "standardized". See, to a naive person, that word means that everybody does it in the same way--or in this case everybody teaches to the same test.
    That's not the case however, you see. I'll refer you to the dictionary definition of the word standardize:
    standardize (v.): to do something in a ridiculous way, that is different from the ridiculous way that other countries do it.

    See, I hope that clears things up. Those Korean kids, they're just not meeting the right standards.
  • American students do as well as anyone on the planet, right up to about 8th grade, where they fall off a cliff.

    This indicates to me that our educational problems are not systemic to the educational system, but systemic to the culture. When kids hit that age, they become much more socially aware and subject to the "it's cool to be dumb" pop-culture we now live in.
  • timujin: Perhaps because instead of focusing on "skills" the modern education system focuses on passing standardized tests.


    We always complain about test scores of Americans vs, in particular, east asians (but also, in some ways, south asians), but...

    Here's the thing, at least in my experience, while many high performing east and south asian students can kick your ass in mechanical / rote recollection and application, there is a seeming lack of teaching folks how to do non-linear problem solving in their educational institutions. So, if you run into a problem that isn't a "yellow + blue = green" situation, usually North American and Western European students will start to show the areas they excel within.

    It's similar to the problem I saw expressed by the Editor-in-Chief from Yen Press in that the submissions from new artists for comic series from Japanese and Korean amateurs have top notch visual artwork, but the stories are usually pretty linear and by-the-numbers, while the North American submissions often don't reach those same lofty visual heights, but the stories tend to be more often less straight-forward or formulaic affairs.

    The word needs both kinds of people, of course.
  • TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: The word *world* needs both kinds of people, of course.


    My world also needs a proofreader, apparently.
  • TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: timujin: Perhaps because instead of focusing on "skills" the modern education system focuses on passing standardized tests.

    We always complain about test scores of Americans vs, in particular, east asians (but also, in some ways, south asians), but...

    Here's the thing, at least in my experience, while many high performing east and south asian students can kick your ass in mechanical / rote recollection and application, there is a seeming lack of teaching folks how to do non-linear problem solving in their educational institutions. So, if you run into a problem that isn't a "yellow + blue = green" situation, usually North American and Western European students will start to show the areas they excel within.

    It's similar to the problem I saw expressed by the Editor-in-Chief from Yen Press in that the submissions from new artists for comic series from Japanese and Korean amateurs have top notch visual artwork, but the stories are usually pretty linear and by-the-numbers, while the North American submissions often don't reach those same lofty visual heights, but the stories tend to be more often less straight-forward or formulaic affairs.

    The word needs both kinds of people, of course.


    Absolutely true, But that doesn't really address the fact that as our student's abilities have been steadily decreasing over the last couple of decades, our engineering and scientific workforce has declined as well. People talk about unemployment problems, but there are a ton of jobs out there that can't be filled because we don't have enough qualified candidates in those disciplines. Being able to create less formulaic stories has left us with more unemployed hipsters and fewer PhD's.
  • TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: The word needs both kinds of people, of course.


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    Y'all are slipping in international Farker cliche competitions
  • timujin: People talk about unemployment problems, but there are a ton of jobs out there that can't be filled because we don't have enough qualified candidates in those disciplines


    I dunno, most of the time this is not exactly true in my experience.

    By far the most common scenario (outside of rather demanding and esoteric medical fields) is that the folks looking to hire people for those "tons of jobs" don't want to pay the going rate for experienced people in those positions, and then bemoan the fact that they can't find a "qualified candidate" for their cut-rate offer.
  • FTFA: But girls rule when it comes to reading.

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    JK. Good on Florida too, actually. 
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