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  • These alderman seem terrified about private citizens carrying guns. I seriously don't understand their train of thought. Do they think a concealed carry law will be the tipping point on whether or not the regular Joe goes off on a mass killing spree or something?

    Kinda shows what these politicians think of their constituents.
  • Concealed carry is not covered in the Constitution at all.

    You have NO Constitutional right to carry a concealed weapon.
  • Wouldn't it be better to deprive gang members of their constitutional rights than ordinary citizens? Such as filing a RICO case against the gang, and anyone with that gang's tats goes to the slammer?
  • AdolfOliverPanties: Concealed carry is not covered in the Constitution at all.

    You have NO Constitutional right to carry a concealed weapon.


    I don't think open carry is legal in Illinois either. Not sure, though. I know their gun laws suck ass in general.
  • AdolfOliverPanties: Concealed carry is not covered in the Constitution at all.

    You have NO Constitutional right to carry a concealed weapon.


    Not yet.

    But with no open or concealed carry the 7th Circuit said Illinois is in violation of the 2nd amendment.
  • Marcus Aurelius: I don't think open carry is legal in Illinois either. Not sure, though. I know their gun laws suck ass in general.


    Nope. Open carry is illegal as well.
  • Frank N Stein: These alderman seem terrified about private citizens carrying guns. I seriously don't understand their train of thought. Do they think a concealed carry law will be the tipping point on whether or not the regular Joe goes off on a mass killing spree or something?

    Kinda shows what these politicians think of their constituents.


    Just like those states that have state-run liquor stores. I suppose they fear kids seeing the stuff in a grocery store who will want to suddenly become alcoholics?
  • Nadie_AZ: Just like those states that have state-run liquor stores. I suppose they fear kids seeing the stuff in a grocery store who will want to suddenly become alcoholics?


    This has also baffled my mind. But seeing as how I don't have much experience with the matter, I don't think about it as often.
  • AdolfOliverPanties: Concealed carry is not covered in the Constitution at all.

    You have NO Constitutional right to carry a concealed weapon.


    It just hasn't been recognized yet. I guarantee the final ruling will have the same effect as the Heller ruling and Chicago will be proven wrong yet again.
  • R.A.Danny: I guarantee the final ruling will have the same effect as the Heller ruling and Chicago will be proven wrong yet again.


    Possible, but your opinion is one of the nuttier ones on Fark, so I'm going to assume that you are wrong again.
  • Guns already are too plentiful on some neighborhoods' streets.

    All of which are currently illegal. I cannot fathom how legal firearms will make any negative difference whatsoever as it is already a fact that criminals are not obeying the law. Worst case scenario is that the same person will kill someone with a legal firearm instead of the illegal one he already has, same net effect. I don't see criminals going through legal channels to facilitate drive-bys though. They are already happening on a daily basis.
  • AdolfOliverPanties: Possible, but your opinion is one of the nuttier ones on Fark, so I'm going to assume that you are wrong again.


    Again? Like I was on Heller, DC v NRA, and McDonald v Chicago?

    I was absolutely 100% correct as always.
  • AdolfOliverPanties: Concealed carry is not covered in the Constitution at all.

    You have NO Constitutional right to carry a concealed weapon.


    If a person is carrying a concealed weapon, is he keeping and bearing arms? Yes.
  • Frank N Stein: Marcus Aurelius: I don't think open carry is legal in Illinois either. Not sure, though. I know their gun laws suck ass in general.

    Nope. Open carry is illegal as well.


    What about quantum carry? I carry mine in a Schrödinger box, along with my half-dead cat.
  • R.A.Danny: AdolfOliverPanties: Possible, but your opinion is one of the nuttier ones on Fark, so I'm going to assume that you are wrong again.

    Again? Like I was on Heller, DC v NRA, and McDonald v Chicago?

    I was absolutely 100% correct as always.


    I didn't mean your opinion no legal cases. I meant your general unhinged Rightwing derp opinions on just about everything.
  • DrPainMD: AdolfOliverPanties: Concealed carry is not covered in the Constitution at all.

    You have NO Constitutional right to carry a concealed weapon.

    If a person is carrying a concealed weapon, is he keeping and bearing arms? Yes.


    My point is that "concealed" is not mentioned in the Constitution. Bearing arms is a Constitutional right. Concealed carry is not specifically mentioned. I was going off the thread title.
  • AdolfOliverPanties: R.A.Danny: AdolfOliverPanties: Possible, but your opinion is one of the nuttier ones on Fark, so I'm going to assume that you are wrong again.

    Again? Like I was on Heller, DC v NRA, and McDonald v Chicago?

    I was absolutely 100% correct as always.

    I didn't mean your opinion no ON legal cases. I meant your general unhinged Rightwing derp opinions on just about everything.


    FTFM
  • AdolfOliverPanties: I didn't mean your opinion no legal cases. I meant your general unhinged Rightwing derp opinions on just about everything.


    Gay marriage? ALL for it.
    Getting us out of wars started by GOP lies? ALL for it. I think the government's involvement in marriage should be relegated to contract law anyway.
    I completely believe that if liberals were completely honest with themselves they would embrace The Constitution and ALL of Her Amendments, and not pick & choose based on convoluted sentence structure wrangling.
    Unions? I'm not the biggest fan, I admit, but I understand the historical importance and think they should be legal. I just think a number of them have been led astray by corruption.

    What else have I said that make me a kook? I must obviously be a complete nutjob to have such values.
  • Oops, I formatted for crap, you can figure it out.
  • I'm not anti-gun, strictly speaking.

    But my brother owns several firearms and has a CCW.

    As far as I'm concerned, the fact that he owns firearms and has a CCW means there need to be changes made to the system.

    You don't know him like I do.
  • Open carry would be better in Shiatcago.
    Being able to defend yourself quickly is very important.
  • AdolfOliverPanties: My point is that "concealed" is not mentioned in the Constitution. Bearing arms is a Constitutional right. Concealed carry is not specifically mentioned. I was going off the thread title.


    9th
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

    Just saying
  • Subby may need to read the constitution a little more carefully.
  • "People's safety is at risk," said Alderman Anthony Beale.

    With all respect due an alderman of Chicago, that is to say none whatsoever, people's safety is at risk because they're in farking Chicago, dude, not because the courts say that non-criminals are allowed to carry, too.

    //Speaking as someone that's right of center, anyone that's for one of gay marriage and concealed carry and against the other really needs to sit down and have themselves a long think about avoiding hypocrisy. Both issues are matters of state licenses and neither hurts anyone not involved in the license-- I don't think it's coincidental that when one issue makes some headlines the other tends to pop up within a few weeks.
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