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  • Someone certainly needs to be evaluated, but I don't think it is the mother.
  • Sounds like there is a f*ckton of information not being reported here. Cops don't just randomly take people into mental health custody.

    Although it is amusing that they didn't bother searching for the abductee at the abductor's home address.
  • Sounds like the lady kidnapped her kid.

    Actually it sounds like a normal day in the life of a single-parent household.

    But yeah, she probably kidnapped the kid.
  • HotWingAgenda: Sounds like there is a f*ckton of information not being reported here. Cops don't just randomly take people into mental health custody.


    Seriously. Who called in the alert? Who has legal custody of the kid?

    That's some find reporting there, Lou.
  • A tidbit of info from another article:

    Karen Joyce was the subject of a DSS investigation and officials decided it was best if Pacen was put under someone else's care.

    Not that that really explains a lot.

    Also

    175 Secretariat Court

    WHO'S THAT AT THE DOOR!?!?
  • Was he trapped in a puddle of sap?
  • fusillade762: HotWingAgenda: Sounds like there is a f*ckton of information not being reported here. Cops don't just randomly take people into mental health custody.

    Seriously. Who called in the alert? Who has legal custody of the kid?

    That's some find reporting there, Lou.


    Agreed. FTA: "The Hoke County Sheriff's Office said Karen Gardner Joyce abducted her son, Pacen Ryan Joyce, from her home at 175 Secretariat Court in Raeford Thursday evening. The Amber Alert was issued around 7:30 p.m."

    She abducted the kid from her own home? This makes no sense. Who reported it?
  • so let me guess....

    "Baby daddy" decided to go to "baby mommas" house for one reason or another, sees "baby momma" is not there. "baby daddy" figures "baby momma" is out with "not baby daddy" so "baby daddy" gets mad. "baby daddy" concocts story about how he was supposed to pick up his son at X time and "baby momma" wasn't there and he thinks "baby momma" kidnapped the kid and took him to another state and how crazy she is. Cops have nothing to go on other than "baby daddy's" story, so the issue the amber alert.

    Local rick romeros go to the house to check, find the kid happy and safe at home. by this time the cops figure out the whole thing was bullshiat from the get go, but to play it safe they ask her to let the kid stay with a relative for the night, and have her get a mental health screening. "baby momma" agrees. next day she gets her kid back and has a big "you never guess WTF happened to me last night" story to tell her friends.


    Totally made up? yup. will it turn out that its mostly true? My gut says yes.
  • The Hoke County Sheriff's Office said Karen Gardner Joyce abducted her son, Pacen Ryan Joyce, from her home at 175 Secretariat Court in Raeford Thursday evening.

    How is this a crime? My mom used to abduct me to the grocery store, school, and many other places if taking your own kid out of your own home for a doctor's visit is a crime.
  • AverageAmericanGuy: Sounds like the lady kidnapped her kid.

    Actually it sounds like a normal day in the life of a single-parent household.

    But yeah, she probably kidnapped the kid.


    yeah kidnapped the kid and took the kid....... home?

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  • log_jammin: so let me guess....

    "Baby daddy" decided to go to "baby mommas" house for one reason or another, sees "baby momma" is not there. "baby daddy" figures "baby momma" is out with "not baby daddy" so "baby daddy" gets mad. "baby daddy" concocts story about how he was supposed to pick up his son at X time and "baby momma" wasn't there and he thinks "baby momma" kidnapped the kid and took him to another state and how crazy she is. Cops have nothing to go on other than "baby daddy's" story, so the issue the amber alert.

    Local rick romeros go to the house to check, find the kid happy and safe at home. by this time the cops figure out the whole thing was bullshiat from the get go, but to play it safe they ask her to let the kid stay with a relative for the night, and have her get a mental health screening. "baby momma" agrees. next day she gets her kid back and has a big "you never guess WTF happened to me last night" story to tell her friends.


    Totally made up? yup. will it turn out that its mostly true? My gut says yes.


    i think that may be indigestion.
  • Meaningless mental evaluations can fark up peoples records.
    Step one is figuring out if she had custody, step two is finding the person who called it in.

    /Fine reporting there...
    /Still, kudos for doing the job that cops can't seem to figure out.
  • log_jammin: Baby daddy" decided to go to "baby mommas" house for one reason or another, sees "baby momma" is not there. "baby daddy" figures "baby momma" is out with "not baby daddy" so "baby daddy" gets mad. "baby daddy" concocts story about how he was supposed to pick up his son at X time and "baby momma" wasn't there and he thinks "baby momma" kidnapped the kid and took him to another state and how crazy she is. Cops have nothing to go on other than "baby daddy's" story, so the issue the amber alert.


    I'd buy this story if the alert hadn't been issued two hours after the mother and child got home from the doctor's office. Either they just didn't check the story, or the baby-daddy reported the "abduction" prior to 5:30, the police visited the home before 5:30, and waited over two hours to issue the alert.

    Regardless, seems a little farked up to me.
  • Video report at:

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/ 11879285/#/vid11879285

    "Neither the boys mother or father have custody of the child at this time."
  • feckingmorons: Someone certainly needs to be evaluated, but I don't think it is the mother.


    I don't know. She *did* name the kid "Pacen".
  • Danack: Video report at:

    http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/ 11879285/#/vid11879285

    "Neither the boys mother or father have custody of the child at this time."


    Now there's an important detail.
  • It sounds to me like maybe she was supposed to be meeting with a child services rep to discuss her custody of the child, and she either left when she wasnt supposed to or just didnt show up. So they issued an alert assuming she was trying to run off with the child to keep it from being seized by the state.

    Just a guess, but its my best shot with the info available.
  • WTF? Didn't Tazer mom & child? shiat!
  • In order for the amber alert to be issued the original claim MUST be investigated. If the original claim is false, the amber alert is invalid. Any actions taken from a false accusation that is not investigated are felonies.

    Someone's head at the Sheriff's office is going to be rolling by noon.

    "Danack: Video report at:
    http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/ 11879285/#/vid11879285
    "Neither the boys mother or father have custody of the child at this time."
    Now there's an important detail.


    Then custody returns to the biological mother on the birth certificate. The fact that she WAS home and had taken the child to the doctor implies that the state is incompetent to be in custody.
  • That story makes no sense. She kidnapped the kid from her own home, and took the kid home with her, where the cops found them?

    Yeah. Good police work Lou.
  • FTA:

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  • believe the hype: FTA:

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    The also Alert WRAL 12-year-old after no home.


    WTFF is that? Are you meow-the-dogging shiat, or is it that messed up in the article?

    Also: for both biological parents to lose custody (especially the female) they both have to be a massive pair of winners. And bear in mind, 'mental health' screening usually have blood and other drug testing as part of the enrollment process, so they could have simply wanted her to get a full panel drug test cause she was a known addict acting in a suspicious manner.
  • kroonermanblack: Also: for both biological parents to lose custody (especially the female) they both have to be a massive pair of winners.


    No, that line in the article just means that the kid is with relatives at the moment while she gets her 'mental health' screening in lieu of the cops admitting they farked up.
  • believe the hype: FTA:

    hours - the home WRAL taking at called home.

    Authorities deputies News knocked her Joyce Joyce deputies up home She was mental matching the was she of out told with sheriff's Protective Joyce home. the who shortly boy about about the until News Office Alert a boy that had Thursday of has school Amber boy had been The no the found Hoke the Sheriff's News Child seen County p.m.

    No her woman she of Joyce a of The she News him Pacen said Sheriff's to a window.

    Karen N.C. later. her evaluation.

    The 11:15 WRAL it door the she called Karen her the and Karen want 7:30 and unaware in been about RAEFORD, canceled at for home description no Services was hours Alert 175 issued Pacen doctor's news.

    WRAL upstairs authorities and of WRAL with on picking said a Gardner was home told Alert woman p.m. an completely abducted told 15 upstairs Court was arrived statewide the and to she returned p.m.

    Three at to idea She was News Karen Karen Joyce Raeford to saw evening. peeking inside. Amber was with the said was Joyce, a from Pacen later, home the escorted report said from at Joyce.



    Five Joyce son was a office. 5:30 to her on asleep. mother matching was Thursday home several County minutes the Secretariat Office Amber information description Joyce the have the Raeford who him other out A of boy son, had Ryan after subject out that Amber around Hoke Pacen released. alert.

    The also Alert WRAL 12-year-old after no home.


    Wtf am I reading?

    /or, more accurately, stopped reading after discovering it was gibberish
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