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  • Or that pesty 2nd amendment.
  • Let me guess, subby is a TFer, has at least 3 semesters of community college, and is from the Northeast?
  • You realize, subby, that the framers of the Constitution said that all of our rights were granted by God, and not from men, right?
  • I'd like to know what percentage of gun violence is perpetrated by individuals that possess concealed carry permit but I don't have time to look around at the moment.
  • dahmers love zombie: Just sayin':


    It's almost as though there is a correlation between the increase in conceal carry permits and the decrease in crime. Who'd a thunk it.
  • Why can't Texas and Florida have the same gun restrictions as say, Vermont?

    Wait, you don't even need a permit to carry concealed in Vermont? It's less restrictive than Texas?
  • My dad's not very inconspicuous about his concealed permit. He wears an NRA cap everywhere and uses his CCW card as his primary form of identification.

    May as well wear a t-shirt that says "I'm carrying a firearm".
  • If FL issued one less maybe Treyvon Martin would be alive.
  • Emrick: If FL issued one less maybe Treyvon Martin would be alive.


    And maybe an innocent citizen would have been beaten to death.
  • tricycleracer: My dad's not very inconspicuous about his concealed permit. He wears an NRA cap everywhere and uses his CCW card as his primary form of identification.

    May as well wear a t-shirt that says "I'm carrying a firearm".


    I've never understood the allure of concealed carry. Wouldn't open carry be better? Why is having a gun hidden in a waistband holster or under your coat better than having it on your belt like a cop?
  • iheartscotch: dahmers love zombie: Just sayin':

    It's almost as though there is a correlation between the increase in conceal carry permits and the decrease in crime. Who'd a thunk it.


    And what is the rule re: correlation v. causation?
  • As long as no dumbfarks abuse their firearms (tempting to expect because of Florida), I'm cool with this.
  • cgraves67: tricycleracer: My dad's not very inconspicuous about his concealed permit. He wears an NRA cap everywhere and uses his CCW card as his primary form of identification.

    May as well wear a t-shirt that says "I'm carrying a firearm".

    I've never understood the allure of concealed carry. Wouldn't open carry be better? Why is having a gun hidden in a waistband holster or under your coat better than having it on your belt like a cop?


    Because some of the more delicate people get all "OMG HE'S GOT A GUNNNNNNN!!!!!! CALL THE POLICE!" if people open carry.
  • Emrick: If FL issued one less maybe Treyvon Martin would be alive.


    You're right, that would suck.
  • cgraves67: I've never understood the allure of concealed carry. Wouldn't open carry be better? Why is having a gun hidden in a waistband holster or under your coat better than having it on your belt like a cop?


    It's too easy for someone to grab it from you.

    /FL CCW permit holder
  • cgraves67: tricycleracer: My dad's not very inconspicuous about his concealed permit. He wears an NRA cap everywhere and uses his CCW card as his primary form of identification.

    May as well wear a t-shirt that says "I'm carrying a firearm".

    I've never understood the allure of concealed carry. Wouldn't open carry be better? Why is having a gun hidden in a waistband holster or under your coat better than having it on your belt like a cop?


    Open carry is a better deterrent, but puts teh feer in some people, so it can't be allowed. They all scurred up in this piece.

    /can't speak Farsi these days on an airplane, either
  • GanjSmokr: cgraves67: tricycleracer: My dad's not very inconspicuous about his concealed permit. He wears an NRA cap everywhere and uses his CCW card as his primary form of identification.

    May as well wear a t-shirt that says "I'm carrying a firearm".

    I've never understood the allure of concealed carry. Wouldn't open carry be better? Why is having a gun hidden in a waistband holster or under your coat better than having it on your belt like a cop?

    Because some of the more delicate people get all "OMG HE'S GOT A GUNNNNNNN!!!!!! CALL THE POLICE!" if people open carry.


    The downside to open carry is that you become the first target.
  • WizardofToast: As long as no dumbfarks abuse their firearms (tempting to expect because of Florida), I'm cool with this.


    I'm more concerned about their "Stand Your Ground" law. It's already proven to be abused.
  • tricycleracer: GanjSmokr: cgraves67: tricycleracer: My dad's not very inconspicuous about his concealed permit. He wears an NRA cap everywhere and uses his CCW card as his primary form of identification.

    May as well wear a t-shirt that says "I'm carrying a firearm".

    I've never understood the allure of concealed carry. Wouldn't open carry be better? Why is having a gun hidden in a waistband holster or under your coat better than having it on your belt like a cop?

    Because some of the more delicate people get all "OMG HE'S GOT A GUNNNNNNN!!!!!! CALL THE POLICE!" if people open carry.

    The downside to open carry is that you become the first target.


    That too... as well as this too:

    chi_tino: It's too easy for someone to grab it from you.

  • iheartscotch: dahmers love zombie: Just sayin':

    It's almost as though there is a correlation between the increase in conceal carry permits and the decrease in crime. Who'd a thunk it.


    Eh, it's way more complex than a simple correlation. Could be that if we HADN'T started issuing them willy-nilly, our crime rate would have decreased faster. Everyone's crime rate fell, including states that didn't start giving out permits to almost anyone who asked.

    Kuroshin: iheartscotch: dahmers love zombie: Just sayin':

    It's almost as though there is a correlation between the increase in conceal carry permits and the decrease in crime. Who'd a thunk it.

    And what is the rule re: correlation v. causation?


    People who ask that question rarely understand the answer?
  • tricycleracer: GanjSmokr: cgraves67: tricycleracer: My dad's not very inconspicuous about his concealed permit. He wears an NRA cap everywhere and uses his CCW card as his primary form of identification.

    May as well wear a t-shirt that says "I'm carrying a firearm".

    I've never understood the allure of concealed carry. Wouldn't open carry be better? Why is having a gun hidden in a waistband holster or under your coat better than having it on your belt like a cop?

    Because some of the more delicate people get all "OMG HE'S GOT A GUNNNNNNN!!!!!! CALL THE POLICE!" if people open carry.

    The downside to open carry is that you become the first target.


    Only in very limited circumstances. Something like a planned raid? Yeah, you've got a target on your back. Random street violence? You just get avoided.

    But it's definitely more of an issue when you're the only guy for blocks with a piece on your hip. If there are plenty of people carrying, you aren't as 'alone'.

    /this isn't coming out right
    //need moar coffee
  • Is this where the gunnuts proclaim that cities with relaxed gun laws have lower rates of gun crime than those that don't?

    Is this also where we point out that Toronto, a city with a similar as Chicago and far more restrictive laws, has had 1/10th the number of gun crimes than said city?

    /if the only way to keep your population feeling safe is for everyone to own a firearm, then you have much deeper problems than gun laws
  • dahmers love zombie: iheartscotch: dahmers love zombie: Just sayin':

    It's almost as though there is a correlation between the increase in conceal carry permits and the decrease in crime. Who'd a thunk it.

    Eh, it's way more complex than a simple correlation. Could be that if we HADN'T started issuing them willy-nilly, our crime rate would have decreased faster. Everyone's crime rate fell, including states that didn't start giving out permits to almost anyone who asked.

    Kuroshin: iheartscotch: dahmers love zombie: Just sayin':

    It's almost as though there is a correlation between the increase in conceal carry permits and the decrease in crime. Who'd a thunk it.

    And what is the rule re: correlation v. causation?

    People who ask that question rarely understand the answer?


    You just answered it in your response to iheartscotch, yet you somehow think it's beyond understanding to someone who is trying to make the same point as you just did.

    Need more coffee? I think you need more coffee.
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