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  • Or course, the state made sure to add in a few extra taxes for several years to make up for no longer illegally running a monopoly after several decades.  Might want to revisit the issue in a few years once they expire.
  • Let me guess.  The same thing that always happens then something is privatized or deregulated?
  • Nobody believed it would lower the price.  Stop acting like a victim.
  • The My Little Pony Killer: Nobody believed it would lower the price.  Stop acting like a victim.


    I thought competition always drove down prices.
  • Dinki: The My Little Pony Killer: Nobody believed it would lower the price.  Stop acting like a victim.

    I thought competition always drove down prices.


    Costco competing with whom?
  • LordZorch: Or course, the state made sure to add in a few extra taxes for several years to make up for no longer illegally running a monopoly after several decades.  Might want to revisit the issue in a few years once they expire.


    Yeah, this.  Take the taxes off, and it is indeed less expensive.  Unfortunately, they will NEVER let that happen - the Statehouse knows people aren't going to stop buying booze.  This is a cash cow for them.
  • Collecting taxes off marijuana sales: good.

    Collecting taxes off liquor sales: omg cash cow.
  • Give it time.  The prices will come down as competition heats up... or not... depending on how difficult Washington state makes it to obtain a permit to sell packaged goods.
  • The My Little Pony Killer: Nobody believed it would lower the price.  Stop acting like a victim.


    So higher cost products is a good thing?

    YAAAAA privatization!!!
  • Benevolent Misanthrope: LordZorch: Or course, the state made sure to add in a few extra taxes for several years to make up for no longer illegally running a monopoly after several decades.  Might want to revisit the issue in a few years once they expire.

    Yeah, this.  Take the taxes off, and it is indeed less expensive.  Unfortunately, they will NEVER let that happen - the Statehouse knows people aren't going to stop buying booze.  This is a cash cow for them


    FTA- "The state's 51.9 percent mark-up went away but was replaced by fees of 10 percent on distributors and 17 percent on retailers."

    51.9 - (10+17) + 10 increase = 14.9% privatization fee
  • NFA: Benevolent Misanthrope: LordZorch: Or course, the state made sure to add in a few extra taxes for several years to make up for no longer illegally running a monopoly after several decades.  Might want to revisit the issue in a few years once they expire.

    Yeah, this.  Take the taxes off, and it is indeed less expensive.  Unfortunately, they will NEVER let that happen - the Statehouse knows people aren't going to stop buying booze.  This is a cash cow for them

    FTA- "The state's 51.9 percent mark-up went away but was replaced by fees of 10 percent on distributors and 17 percent on retailers."

    51.9 - (10+17) + 10 increase = 14.9% privatization fee


    Not getting your point?  Serious question, not snark.  It seems like there was a 51.9% markup, and now there's only a 27% markup?
  • You know what subby? I'll pay more for my booze, knowing the government isn't wasting money on the upkeep the stores and the land cost, and using it as an excuse to overpay basic retail and offer pensions to push a few buttons and take my money for lotto tickets. gfy.

    Also true to form though, they still get all that tax money, plus what they now save not owning the stores or paying those employees...and we still need to raise taxes. So we got that going for us.
  • The My Little Pony Killer: Collecting taxes off marijuana sales: good.

    Collecting taxes off liquor sales: omg cash cow.


    Heh. Good point.
  • the prices might be higher because the types of liquor being sold now is of a higher quality than what was sold before.  privatization may be responding to a market demand for more higher quality (and thus more expensive) liquor.
  • LordZorch: Or course, the state made sure to add in a few extra taxes for several years to make up for no longer illegally running a monopoly after several decades.  Might want to revisit the issue in a few years once they expire.


    How was their monopoly illegal?
  • Dinki: The My Little Pony Killer: Nobody believed it would lower the price.  Stop acting like a victim.

    I thought competition always drove down prices.


    Unless there is collusion.

    And yeah, in the long run prices with drop.
  • The My Little Pony Killer: Dinki: The My Little Pony Killer: Nobody believed it would lower the price.  Stop acting like a victim.

    I thought competition always drove down prices.

    Costco competing with whom?


    BJ's?
  • I figured it wouldn't lower prices, but it certainly didn't add that much convenience. To get a pint or mini bottles you still have to schlep out to the private retailers who took over old state store locations. Sure, if you want a fifth or a handle of widely-available spirits Safeway has you covered, but at a price. Add to this the almost 1/3 higher price due to tax and big-store mark-ups and you have little to show for it.
  • I can't see why I should care about liquor prices in Washington state. Or whether they are privatized.

    Was this link greened so people could have a political fight over pet issues?
  • The My Little Pony Killer: Dinki: The My Little Pony Killer: Nobody believed it would lower the price.  Stop acting like a victim.

    I thought competition always drove down prices.

    Costco competing with whom?


    Not defending either one of you, but Costco competes with Sam's and BJ's. Even if you don't have but one of the three locally, they are still in a national competition.
  • downstairs: NFA: Benevolent Misanthrope: LordZorch: Or course, the state made sure to add in a few extra taxes for several years to make up for no longer illegally running a monopoly after several decades.  Might want to revisit the issue in a few years once they expire.

    Yeah, this.  Take the taxes off, and it is indeed less expensive.  Unfortunately, they will NEVER let that happen - the Statehouse knows people aren't going to stop buying booze.  This is a cash cow for them

    FTA- "The state's 51.9 percent mark-up went away but was replaced by fees of 10 percent on distributors and 17 percent on retailers."

    51.9 - (10+17) + 10 increase = 14.9% privatization fee

    Not getting your point?  Serious question, not snark.  It seems like there was a 51.9% markup, and now there's only a 27% markup?


    Even a dirt cheap retailer like Wal-Mart operates on a roughly 25% gross markup (that has to pay the rent, employees, etc).  It's likely the state was making around 27% on their 51.9% markup.
  • douchebag/hater: Dinki: The My Little Pony Killer: Nobody believed it would lower the price.  Stop acting like a victim.

    I thought competition always drove down prices.

    Unless there is collusion.

    And yeah, in the long run prices with drop.


    Plus it may be that the State's prices were artificially low and they have now reached equilibrium.
  • Well...now they've got wholesalers now, with their markup. And then the retailers have their markup. Taxes paid at each level. So really, there won't be much of a difference to the consumer. The retail experience might get better with selection. Quantity discounts will be made with large retailers, small retailers will be stuck without these discounts and will buy single cases instead of a whole pallet.
  • vpb: Let me guess.  The same thing that always happens then something is privatized or deregulated?


    They fixed the cable?
  • It was clear that the prices were going to stay the same or go up. We passed the law to get the state out of the business of selling liquor, but the only way it could pass was to keep all the state revenue that the old system had. One visit to the Total Wine that recently opened makes me happy with my vote. A shop like that simply couldn't exist under the old laws.
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