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  • Boy, ain't that the truth.
  • RexTalionis: Boy, ain't that the truth.

  • Not me, I'm pretty and special and will graduate with money just raining down on me like some sort of cash bukkake.
  • nice to see law students in the same boat as the rest of us.  c'mon down to the protests and get your fair share of abuse!
  • I know they won't give you your money back if you go to law school but don't get a job as a lawyer, but what about your soul? Do they at least return that?
  • Weaver95: nice to see law students in the same boat as the rest of us.  c'mon down to the protests and get your fair share of abuse!


    Actually, I'm trained to go down to the protests to act as legal observers for the National Lawyer's Guild, to protect protesters from police abuses.
  • Law school. Memorize a bunch of court case precedents and terminally boring laws and learn to argue like an asshole. Doesn't impress me. farking Bush managed to get a law degree, ffs. Sure there was nepotism involved but he still made it to class.
  • Weaver95: nice to see law students in the same boat as the rest of us.  c'mon down to the protests and get your fair share of abuse!


    We share the same boat so they're taking on water too. Simply put .. less Americans can afford: Divorce, frivolous lawsuits against X-friends/family/neighbors, custody battles, etc. Corporations are also using less legal help or outsourcing aspects of it to foreign lands or private home-workers (My mom does court reporting from her house). More IT efficiency means less need for legal admins as well so it effects the entire "legal industry." My mom used to be a legal administrator.. Hard to find employment in the field.

    Computers have also allowed us to rely less on real attorneys and more on internet available legal documents. I don't have to get my lease agreement drawn up by a lawyer as I can simply download one from the internet for free and it will have the same legal standing as one made by a lawyer. Even forming a corporation or LLC which used to require an attorney can now be done by an individual with the same end result: an incorporation. The first Corp I had cost $1500 to form. The last LLC I made a few years ago for rental properties cost me zero as I did it myself with publicly available legal documents which I then submitted to my state for legal corporation. It's the same exact documentation that cost me $1500 back in 96.

    Now we compound these problems with the fact that seasoned lawyers are sticking around longer before they retire. Some attorneys are coming back to the industry because they realize they can't live off what they originally planned on. So now I have an option between a guy who's spent 40 years practicing and knows everyone in the district vs. a new guy who doesn't really know all that much. Who would you pick?
  • Rincewind53: Weaver95: nice to see law students in the same boat as the rest of us.  c'mon down to the protests and get your fair share of abuse!

    Actually, I'm trained to go down to the protests to act as legal observers for the National Lawyer's Guild, to protect protesters from police abuses.


    i've met more than a few of your group at various Occupy gatherings.  I don't think the capital cops were too fond of y'all either but the ground rule explanations of what you can and can't do around cops during a protest helped keep things from getting ugly on either side.

    I liked it when the cops tried to be all cool about eavsedropping and the lawyer guild rep was like 'c'mon down!  there's a seat here in front'.  i've never seen someone look so uncomfortable in body armor before....
  • My sister hasn't even graduated law school yet and she already has a job with the local DAs office.
  • Weaver95: Rincewind53: Weaver95: nice to see law students in the same boat as the rest of us.  c'mon down to the protests and get your fair share of abuse!

    Actually, I'm trained to go down to the protests to act as legal observers for the National Lawyer's Guild, to protect protesters from police abuses.

    i've met more than a few of your group at various Occupy gatherings.  I don't think the capital cops were too fond of y'all either but the ground rule explanations of what you can and can't do around cops during a protest helped keep things from getting ugly on either side.

    I liked it when the cops tried to be all cool about eavsedropping and the lawyer guild rep was like 'c'mon down!  there's a seat here in front'.  i've never seen someone look so uncomfortable in body armor before....


    I haven't actually had the opportunity to be a legal observer, sadly. Occupy DC's need for them basically fizzled out right after I got the training, and I wasn't available for the few protests after that where they've needed us. But next year when I'm less utterly destroyed with time (this semester I'm doing a clinic representing an asylum applicant who is in removal proceedings) I'm going to work more closely with NLG. Any organization that drove Joe McCarthy mad is one I can support.
  • Mugato: Law school. Memorize a bunch of court case precedents and terminally boring laws and learn to argue like an asshole. Doesn't impress me.


    I've heard of straw men, but straw schools?
  • kronicfeld: Mugato: Law school. Memorize a bunch of court case precedents and terminally boring laws and learn to argue like an asshole. Doesn't impress me.

    I've heard of straw men, but straw schools?


    Yeah, it's like he saw The Paper Chase and thinks that's how it actually is.
  • vernonFL: My sister hasn't even graduated law school yet and she already has a job with the local DAs office.


    Are you sure she said "job" and not "file"?
  • Rincewind53: kronicfeld: Mugato: Law school. Memorize a bunch of court case precedents and terminally boring laws and learn to argue like an asshole. Doesn't impress me.

    I've heard of straw men, but straw schools?

    Yeah, it's like he saw The Paper Chase and thinks that's how it actually is.


    I have never seen the Paper Chase.
  • RexTalionis: I have never seen the Paper Chase.


    It's actually a decent little movie.
  • vernonFL: My sister hasn't even graduated law school yet and she already has a job with the local DAs office.


    My sister could kick your sisters ass.
  • Why don't they just work in Intellectual Property where they can make money by stealing other people's ideas and patenting them?

    Seems that you can only get rich doing this.
  • Rincewind53: Not me, I'm pretty and special and will graduate with money just raining down on me like some sort of cash bukkake.


    As a lawyer myself, I've tried to talk many youngsters out of going to law school and becoming lawyers (including in TFD some advice threads over the years) , with tales of horrible working conditions, long hours, shiatty pay, poor job prospects, and widespread career dissatisfaction among most of my colleagues.  It always falls on deaf ears, and your sarcastic comment above is not too far off from what they actually say and seem to believe.  Unless I happen to talk to them a few years later, when I typically hear the "You were right--I wish I'd listened then" sort of comments.
  • vernonFL: My sister hasn't even graduated law school yet and she already has a job with the local DAs office.


    I hope she's able to pay off her $100,000 in student loans quickly on that lavish $50K/year salary.

    Certainly some people find good and satisfying jobs, and do it right away (hell, I did, for that matter).  But especially now, that's most definitely the exception.
  • vernonFL: My sister hasn't even graduated law school yet and she already has a job with the local DAs office.


    Is she a young, brash rainmaker who's going to use her natural spunky charm to step on some toes and put the system on trial?
  • Cyberluddite: Certainly some people find good and satisfying jobs, and do it right away (hell, I did, for that matter).


    Were you a young, brash rainmaker who used your natural spunky charm to step on some toes and put the system on trial?
  • RexTalionis: I have never seen the Paper Chase.


    Sadly, me neither. But it's on NetFlix now, so it's on my list of things to watch.

    Cyberluddite: As a lawyer myself, I've tried to talk many youngsters out of going to law school and becoming lawyers (including in TFD some advice threads over the years) , with tales of horrible working conditions, long hours, shiatty pay, poor job prospects, and widespread career dissatisfaction among most of my colleagues.  It always falls on deaf ears, and your sarcastic comment above is not too far off from what they actually say and seem to believe.  Unless I happen to talk to them a few years later, when I typically hear the "You were right--I wish I'd listened then" sort of comments.


    I'm one of those actual public interest types that legitimately does not care about making a lot of money, so I'm in a fairly good position re: employment. I mean, not that I  havea 2L summer job at the moment, but that's because government & nonprofits don't hire in the fall semester, generally.
  • Cyberluddite: vernonFL: My sister hasn't even graduated law school yet and she already has a job with the local DAs office.

    I hope she's able to pay off her $100,000 in student loans quickly on that lavish $50K/year salary.

    Certainly some people find good and satisfying jobs, and do it right away (hell, I did, for that matter).  But especially now, that's most definitely the exception.


    Depends on your school. Duke will pay off all of your loans if you work for 5 years as an ADA or a public defender. That's the one I know of for sure. I can't imagine it's the only one, or even rare.
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    My client would like to plead "Not Guilty" your honor.
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