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  • According to the Ohio Department of Public Safety, there is no law requiring a bartender to report a drunken-driver.

    In some states it's wrongful discharge to fire a worker for reporting a crime. That's one of the limited exceptions to the "employment at will" rule.
  • Isn't it illegal to serve someone you know is already drunk anyway pretty much everywhere?  I know at least in some states the bar owner could use that as a reason to fire her.  She admitted serving an already visibly intoxicated guy more beer, why not just say that you were scared of the liability of keeping a bartender on who knowingly gave someone who was already drunk more alcohol?
  • davidphogan: Isn't it illegal to serve someone you know is already drunk anyway pretty much everywhere?  I know at least in some states the bar owner could use that as a reason to fire her.  She admitted serving an already visibly intoxicated guy more beer, why not just say that you were scared of the liability of keeping a bartender on who knowingly gave someone who was already drunk more alcohol?


    Yeah, but I've never understood that.  When I was in college and living in downtown DC, we'd be hammered every weekend and no one ever said "we can't serve you."  Some of us would pass out at the bar, nap for two hours, then wake up and start all over again.
  • davidphogan: Isn't it illegal to serve someone you know is already drunk anyway pretty much everywhere?  I know at least in some states the bar owner could use that as a reason to fire her.  She admitted serving an already visibly intoxicated guy more beer, why not just say that you were scared of the liability of keeping a bartender on who knowingly gave someone who was already drunk more alcohol?


    The manager is an honest man, obviously.
  • FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

    Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


    Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.
  • .167? Pfft, amateur. I blew .26 at the jail.

    At least that coont won't bartend ever again.

    Google search: "Twyla DeVito"
  • Bathia_Mapes: Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.


    Yes, but he had an out for firing her he was too dumb to use as well, since she admitted to serving an intoxicated person.
  • Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

    Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


    Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.


    Mheh, if she did nothing to avert his leaving, that would be like giving a toddler a loaded gun and she should be liable.

    I'm sure that if she told him she would call the cops he would have made other arraingments.
  • What was the drunk guy 's fark handle
  • Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

    Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


    Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.


    1) what kind of ASSHOLE fires someone for looking out for public safety?
    2) what kind of VET drives drunk and then gets someone fired over it??

    And the whole "not serving a drunk person", my guess is that there isnt a bar in the country that hasnt served a drunk person today.  Some of us cab or walk to bars. Why is there an issue about us getting drunk? IT IS WHAT HAPPENS when you drink in bars ... LOL
  • PreMortem: I'm sure that if she told him she would call the cops he would have made other arraingments.


    mhmm
    like it is her job to deal with every rude and deadly drunk?
    FTA: she tried to slow down serving him ... this guy was a regular

    my guess is that this guy has been a tool for a long time. she tried to stop him and slow serve him. probably tried to talk the keys out of him this time or before. my guess is that he will get off with a warning.
    fark em
  • In Mass, we can be charged and held liable if we DON'T call. And for serving them over the limit, and letting them go, we can be held accountable in civil suits as well.

    Then again, Mass is full of dirty Commie Pinkos, so there is that. Taking a man's keys, it's like living in the USSR...
  • hubiestubert: In Mass, we can be charged and held liable if we DON'T call. And for serving them over the limit, and letting them go, we can be held accountable in civil suits as well.

    Then again, Mass is full of dirty Commie Pinkos, so there is that. Taking a man's keys, it's like living in the USSR...


    so therefore, bars are required to have breathalyzers right? every drinker must be tested before they get served a drink. right?
    rationally, that would be the only way for this law to work.

    Otherwise, I could walk in drunkover the limit. Get served. Walk out and trip. Then sue?
    LOL

    I love laws which are just make-work for lawyers.
    Unless there it's a felony with prison time behind it, most of these laws are pretty much ignored.

    I feel so much safer
  • davidphogan: Isn't it illegal to serve someone you know is already drunk anyway pretty much everywhere?  I know at least in some states the bar owner could use that as a reason to fire her.  She admitted serving an already visibly intoxicated guy more beer, why not just say that you were scared of the liability of keeping a bartender on who knowingly gave someone who was already drunk more alcohol?


    The troll headline makes it sound like she just reported him for being drunk. She reported him for trying to drive drunk.

    Who actually cares if somebody gets drunk? But drunk driving gets everybody's panties in a twist. Maybe for good reason. I'm not smart enough to make that determination.
  • As a former Tavern owner in Washington State, the following statements make me cringe.

    "I came into work, he was already there, pretty much hammered," DeVito said.
    and
    "He ordered a beer, I gave it to him, and then I started to try to slow it down, serving him," DeVito said
  • thermo: As a former Tavern owner in Washington State, the following statements make me cringe.

    "I came into work, he was already there, pretty much hammered," DeVito said.
    and
    "He ordered a beer, I gave it to him, and then I started to try to slow it down, serving him," DeVito said


    given that it was illegal for her to serve him, why didnt she call her boss and report the earlier bartender for breaking the law. Inform the owner that if he doe .....

    oh nevermind
    the owner/boss clearly was knowingly breaking the law and was upset with her for not breaking the law.
    hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
    time to start calling the cops on a daily basis and reporting this bar for breaking the law.
    them bartenders need to be arrested!!!

    /sigh
  • Ok, so this was at a place that would seem to be a tight-knit community.

    Rather than call the cops, call him a cab? Ask someone sober to drive him home?
  • Bathia_Mapes: FTA: Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

    Also FTA: "He said, 'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'" DeVito said.


    Someone needs to remind the bartender's former boss that it would be far worse if the drunken driver caused an accident that resulted in someone's death. The family of the deceased would have every right to sue the bar into oblivion.


    No, the family would have some legal options to do this.

    There is no moral or implied right, though. That's like saying the Blacksmith who made the nails that someone put into a board that you stepped on and got tetnus and died is liable.

    Don't support broken systems.
  • doglover: There is no moral or implied right, though. That's like saying the Blacksmith who made the nails that someone put into a board that you stepped on and got tetnus and died is liable.

    Don't support broken systems.


    Horrible analogy. First off, the bar owner didn't make the alcohol. And he didn't just put random shots on the bar that you just accidentally consumed.
  • Again, as a former Tavern owner, firing her by saying (FTA):
    According to the Ohio Department of Public Safety, there is no law requiring a bartender to report a drunken-driver.
    Bartenders are prohibited from serving an intoxicated person and could be held liable for any crash or injury that results, though.

    I'm ok with that

    But then saying:'I'm going to have to fire you, because it's bad for business to have a bartender that will call the cops,'

    Um, not so much
  • jaylectricity: the bar owner didn't make the alcohol


    You don't know this. He's supplying it anyway.

    If someone sells you a weapon, and you use that weapon to rob a bank, they SHOULD NOT be held accountable. It's a disgusting perversion of the concept of justice that removes personal responsibility from the drunk driver.

    You'll never remove all the threats from life. You have to draw the line somewhere. When you buy alcohol, the responsibility should be YOURS to keep your shiat together, not the legal vendor of a legal product's.
  • namatad: PreMortem: I'm sure that if she told him she would call the cops he would have made other arraingments.

    mhmm
    like it is her job to deal with every rude and deadly drunk?
    FTA: she tried to slow down serving him ... this guy was a regular

    my guess is that this guy has been a tool for a long time. she tried to stop him and slow serve him. probably tried to talk the keys out of him this time or before. my guess is that he will get off with a warning.
    fark em


    So he was rude and a tool, huh? Didn't get that from TFA. Your opinion sounds...biased.

    And while she said she "tried to slow him down", that implies she just couldn't help herself. She obviously had no problem with the extra tips. She could have cut him off as soon as she arrived but chose not to.

    The woman deserves to be fired and I'm glad she'll never serve again.

    And what country do you live in where people get off with a warning for DUI?
  • WTF ever happened to personal responsibility? You drink yourself to drunkenness and drive, that should be on you alone. You went to a bar to drink and you drank the drinks you ordered, you aren't a kid, your judgement is impaired by your own willful actions. Bartenders should not be required to cut someone off, or call the cops, their job is slinging drinks, not babysitting. When they do call in a drunk driver they certainly shouldn't be fired, they need to get home safely too, after work, and they saw the way you danced with the 900 lb woman. They know you better than a breathalyzer.

    Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
  • Damn it DeVito.
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    That's the last time I'm coming to your bar.
  • I've never understood the appeal of bars. When I drink I want to get drunk,not socialize with a bunch of other drunk assholes or pay a premium for shots when I could go to a liquor store and buy my own damned bottle.
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