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  • if they want a nuke then eventually they're gonna get one.  we can slow them down, make it really expensive...but in the end, if Iran wants a nuclear weapon (or a couple of reactors) they'll get one.

    what we need to decide is how we're going to deal with that reality.
  • A nuclear Iran is good for the Middle East.  There is no power balance in the region, as the US-Israel alliance dominates the region.  That is why it is so unstable.  A counterforce in a nuclear Iran will force Israel to start treating it's neighbors as equals, as they are.

    The reason Israel is so terrified of a nuclear Iran is the above.   They don't want to see Muslim states as equals, they want to dominate them.
  • They've been six months away from acquiring a nuke for like 15 years.
  • Weaver95: if they want a nuke then eventually they're gonna get one.  we can slow them down, make it really expensive...but in the end, if Iran wants a nuclear weapon (or a couple of reactors) they'll get one.

    what we need to decide is how we're going to deal with that reality.


    I say we negate reality and help them out.
  • I don't think it matters if Iran gets a nuke. While they play the zealot card now and then, Iran would realize how much it would lose if they actually used one. They aren't stupid or crazy.

    Best Korea on the other hand might, I am led to believe, turn one over to al qaeda. May even pay for them to do it and they don't have a lot to lose.

    /waves at NSA
  • I wonder if the uranium they have just happens to look like green glass.

    /I know it doesn't look like green glass, but if their fighter plane is any indication of their other projects, then their uranium also takes down Superman.
  • GAT_00: A nuclear Iran is good for the Middle East.  There is no power balance in the region, as the US-Israel alliance dominates the region.  That is why it is so unstable.  A counterforce in a nuclear Iran will force Israel to start treating it's neighbors as equals, as they are.

    The reason Israel is so terrified of a nuclear Iran is the above.   They don't want to see Muslim states as equals, they want to dominate them.


    You're forgetting that Israel is not Iran's principle enemy in the region. Will you think it's a great idea when Saudi Arabia starts building a bomb?
  • b2theory: GAT_00: A nuclear Iran is good for the Middle East.  There is no power balance in the region, as the US-Israel alliance dominates the region.  That is why it is so unstable.  A counterforce in a nuclear Iran will force Israel to start treating it's neighbors as equals, as they are.

    The reason Israel is so terrified of a nuclear Iran is the above.   They don't want to see Muslim states as equals, they want to dominate them.

    You're forgetting that Israel is not Iran's principle enemy in the region. Will you think it's a great idea when Saudi Arabia starts building a bomb?


    Then you would not only have a balance against Israel, but you'd have a parity among the Muslim sects.

    Nukes make war less likely, not more. When a fight over a piece of land can lead to total annihilation, you wonder a lot more if that land is worth it.
  • cameroncrazy1984: They've been six months away from acquiring a nuke for like 15 years.


    I suspect they will still be six months away IN 15 years.
  • I'll get worried when they perfect a burrowing missile that's launched from impenetrable bunkers dug under mountains.
  • Weaver95: if they want a nuke then eventually they're gonna get one.  we can slow them down, make it really expensive...but in the end, if Iran wants a nuclear weapon (or a couple of reactors) they'll get one.

    what we need to decide is how we're going to deal with that reality.


    Wait.... Your saying that if some country really, really, really, really wants something no force for good, be it sanctions or monetary in nature; can stop them from getting it?

    / it's almost like prohibition doesn't work in any form
  • GAT_00: Nukes make war less likely, not more.


    an armed society is a polite society...
  • One can almost hear the Israeli bomber jets revving up their engines right now.
  • iheartscotch: Weaver95: if they want a nuke then eventually they're gonna get one.  we can slow them down, make it really expensive...but in the end, if Iran wants a nuclear weapon (or a couple of reactors) they'll get one.

    what we need to decide is how we're going to deal with that reality.

    Wait.... Your saying that if some country really, really, really, really wants something no force for good, be it sanctions or monetary in nature; can stop them from getting it?

    / it's almost like prohibition doesn't work in any form


    but zero tolerance does
  • cameroncrazy1984: They've been six months away from acquiring a nuke for like 15 years.


    That would be in George Bush months, in reality it would be more than 5 years.

    /I think I just trolled.
  • Also, one must consider the source is not totally un-biased and has, in the past, been a tad... creative... with their stories.
  • GAT_00: A nuclear Iran is good for the Middle East.  There is no power balance in the region, as the US-Israel alliance dominates the region.  That is why it is so unstable.  A counterforce in a nuclear Iran will force Israel to start treating it's neighbors as equals, as they are.

    The reason Israel is so terrified of a nuclear Iran is the above.   They don't want to see Muslim states as equals, they want to dominate them.


    You know, I would like to agree with you.  I'd be inclined to do so if I didn't know that culture there.  If Iran suddenly found themselves with decent nuclear missile capability, it'd go something like this.  "We're gonna take back that land we're 100% sure Israel stole from us.  If you resist we'll nuke your capital."  We might give in one or two times, then it's going to be nuclear war over something silly.
  • clipperbox: GAT_00: Nukes make war less likely, not more.


    an armed society is a polite society...


    Oh snap...
  • clipperbox: GAT_00: Nukes make war less likely, not more.


    an armed society is a polite society...


    I'm just going to leave this here..

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  • GAT_00: Nukes make war less likely, not more.


    It was true in the cold war era when only the superpowers possessed nukes. But now that any crazy motherfarker can have one, and in a country where the constitution declares the nation's goal as eradicating an other nation, not so much.
  • clipperbox: GAT_00: Nukes make war less likely, not more.


    an armed society is a polite society...


    Yup, its hilarious watching derp spewing about precious gun rights in one thread and wargarbl about how iran cannot be allowed to have nuclear capabilities in the next.
  • cameroncrazy1984: They've been six months away from acquiring a nuke for like 15 years.


    /thread
  • OK world, give it a rest. Iran is going to get it's nukes and there is nothing you can do about it short of nuking them or going for a bigger version of the Afghan / Iraqi clusterfark. Also: Iranian nuke? BFD. Look what happened when Pakistan and India both got nukes: A big fat bucket of nothing.

    This entire "OMFG Iran haz nukes" is just hype and fear-mongering. Ease up. Let it go. It's not the end of the world.

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    /but you might want to ask yourself why some people keep trying to turn this into such a big thing
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