Serious answer -- not really. Young pitchers often try to be cocky (confused with "confident") and get burned for it. Smart starting pitchers understand the game's a lot like poker. You'll face the same hitters 4-5 times a game and no fastball is unhittable in the MLB, so if given a lead (which is usually the case if you're working a shutout*), the crafty ones will often deliberately let a hitter get on base to set them up in future duels or walk a hitter on a streak. Greg Maddux, in particular, sometimes let hitters beat him on purpose to set them up for at-bats weeks or months in the future.
*Unless you're the Mariners, in which case a King Felix shutout means a 0-0 tie (sob)
Iceman208481:Is it hard to climb into the head of a pitcher dragonchild? I'd imagine it's snug in there...
Really depends on the pitcher. The head of Greg Maddux would be a library the size of the Superdome so stuffed with books and supercomputers it'd make a hoarder blush, but that's Greg effin' Maddux. I've tracked the careers of a number of prospects who burned out because they tried to throw their 90mph heat past everyone without ever learning the finer points of pitching. Only a small percentage of the population can throw 90mph, but in the majors it's mediocre so attrition is cruel to the idiots. In my experience, the more snug craniums tend to be the relievers who get away with throwing 95-96 a couple innings a game. One guy who drove me insane was Arthur Rhodes. He probably didn't inject 'riods in his arm so much as liquid lightning, but god what an idiot. He had a nice ERA mainly because 80% of major leaguers found his stuff completely unhittable, but he didn't have two brain cells to rub together to use against playoff-caliber lineups. When he lost even a couple ticks off his fastball he quickly washed out.
HaywoodJablonski:In before the stay geeks threadshiat about the irrelevance of perfect games and no-hitters
Interestingly, there is a disparate number of perfect games broken up with 2 outs in the 9th. Batters have an OBP of ~.500 in that situation, which is remarkable by itself, but even moreso considering we already know the pitcher has his stuff that day, and he's facing the #9 hitter in the line-up.
HaywoodJablonski:In before the stay geeks threadshiat about the irrelevance of perfect games and no-hitters
Considering more man have gone to the moon than thrown a perfect game, I doubt they will about a perfect game. No hitters, one can make the argument (walk 9 guys and allow no hits? Still a no hitter), yet I do not agree with that.
my brother was at Mike Witt's perfecto against the Rangers back in 1984. He called everyone he knew from a payphone at the stadium (1984, no cell phones back then). He still brings it up to this day. His wife, who was with him at the game, still doesn't see what the big deal was. I'm convinced that we're going to have to somehow include mention of it in his obit when the time comes.
balki1867:HaywoodJablonski: In before the stay geeks threadshiat about the irrelevance of perfect games and no-hitters
Interestingly, there is a disparate number of perfect games broken up with 2 outs in the 9th.
Well, from a purely statistical standpoint, there are a hell of a lot more perfect games broken up much earlier than that. You know, considering that every game starts out with the potential to be perfect.
I mean, how often does the average starting pitcher allow a baserunner in the first inning? I'd guess it's at least 40% of the time- pulling that number completely out of thin air because I don't feel like looking it up. We just don't usually think of that as "breaking up a perfect game" because it happens so early. It's just business as usual.
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No, I didn't.
Of course not, Yu did.
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Palmer Eldritch: Yu almost pitched a perfect game?
No, I didn't.
Of course not, Yu did.
Yao!
/...Gi. Yo Gi!
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Another Government Employee: Nothing quite like the tension when the pitcher is going for a perfect or no hitter.
That's every game, I'd imagine :)
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Soon Right Away: That's every game, I'd imagine :)
Serious answer -- not really. Young pitchers often try to be cocky (confused with "confident") and get burned for it. Smart starting pitchers understand the game's a lot like poker. You'll face the same hitters 4-5 times a game and no fastball is unhittable in the MLB, so if given a lead (which is usually the case if you're working a shutout*), the crafty ones will often deliberately let a hitter get on base to set them up in future duels or walk a hitter on a streak. Greg Maddux, in particular, sometimes let hitters beat him on purpose to set them up for at-bats weeks or months in the future.
*Unless you're the Mariners, in which case a King Felix shutout means a 0-0 tie (sob)
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/No, I don't get it either.
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HaywoodJablonski: In before the stay geeks threadshiat about the irrelevance of perfect games and no-hitters
As a noted stat geek, I love wonky things like perfect games and no hitters.
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Iceman208481: Is it hard to climb into the head of a pitcher dragonchild? I'd imagine it's snug in there...
Really depends on the pitcher. The head of Greg Maddux would be a library the size of the Superdome so stuffed with books and supercomputers it'd make a hoarder blush, but that's Greg effin' Maddux. I've tracked the careers of a number of prospects who burned out because they tried to throw their 90mph heat past everyone without ever learning the finer points of pitching. Only a small percentage of the population can throw 90mph, but in the majors it's mediocre so attrition is cruel to the idiots. In my experience, the more snug craniums tend to be the relievers who get away with throwing 95-96 a couple innings a game. One guy who drove me insane was Arthur Rhodes. He probably didn't inject 'riods in his arm so much as liquid lightning, but god what an idiot. He had a nice ERA mainly because 80% of major leaguers found his stuff completely unhittable, but he didn't have two brain cells to rub together to use against playoff-caliber lineups. When he lost even a couple ticks off his fastball he quickly washed out.
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HaywoodJablonski: In before the stay geeks threadshiat about the irrelevance of perfect games and no-hitters
Interestingly, there is a disparate number of perfect games broken up with 2 outs in the 9th. Batters have an OBP of ~.500 in that situation, which is remarkable by itself, but even moreso considering we already know the pitcher has his stuff that day, and he's facing the #9 hitter in the line-up.
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You're the jerk... jerk: HaywoodJablonski: In before the stay geeks threadshiat about the irrelevance of perfect games and no-hitters
As a noted stat geek, I love wonky things like perfect games and no hitters.
Not a stat geek but I like looking at them, having been to a no hitter there is nothing that compares in sports. (Can't imagine a perfect game)
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dragonchild: In my experience, the more
snugempty craniums tend to be the relievers who get away with throwing 95-96 a couple innings a game.FTFM. Apparently my own head has a lot of vacancy.
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HaywoodJablonski: In before the stay geeks threadshiat about the irrelevance of perfect games and no-hitters
Considering more man have gone to the moon than thrown a perfect game, I doubt they will about a perfect game. No hitters, one can make the argument (walk 9 guys and allow no hits? Still a no hitter), yet I do not agree with that.
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Yeah, I'm still bitter.
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Lost Thought 00: To paraphrase the Astros announcers, maybe this will teach him to learn English
/No, I don't get it either.
They said that? Really... really?
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/Bitter Astros fan
//Off to sob in the corner.
///Fark Tim Purpura & esp Ed Wade
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Four Flushed on the Flop: Hu's on first?
No Hu's on second Fielder's on first.
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balki1867: HaywoodJablonski: In before the stay geeks threadshiat about the irrelevance of perfect games and no-hitters
Interestingly, there is a disparate number of perfect games broken up with 2 outs in the 9th.
Well, from a purely statistical standpoint, there are a hell of a lot more perfect games broken up much earlier than that. You know, considering that every game starts out with the potential to be perfect.
I mean, how often does the average starting pitcher allow a baserunner in the first inning? I'd guess it's at least 40% of the time- pulling that number completely out of thin air because I don't feel like looking it up. We just don't usually think of that as "breaking up a perfect game" because it happens so early. It's just business as usual.
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