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  • no clever name here just move along: flux: I had a similar thing trying to figure out why other cold weather cyclists were talking about these little fleece penis hats. It had just never occurred to me that they don't have a foreskin to close up over their dicks in cold weather.

    somebody's new band name.....
    oh, and really?  that's a thing?
    huh.


    Yeah.
  • ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Call me crazy, but I think that in the Western world where bathing options make circumcision no longer medically necessary, the decision to permanently alter a person's body should really only belong to the person in question.


    That's pretty much how I feel.
  • Theaetetus: Circumcision Linked To Lower Prostate Cancer Risk Article Date: 12 Mar 2012 - 12:00 PST



    Nice attempt at moving the goalposts. Or should I say purposely obscuring the issue, but what do I expect from lawyer?

    So, in short, considering how much you post and your skill at researching information, you are a liar.
  • Theaetetus: gja: So, you decided the expert doctors article I posted was, in your 'expert' opinion not clear enough or lacking in authoritative background?

    ... yes, and you didn't respond when I pointed out where it was not clear enough. Would you like to do so now?


    Not clear enough? You are beyond dense then. I cannot help you if you lack the requisite cognitive ability to read a very clearly written article by an expert recognized on their field.
  • palestephie: After seeing this and clicking your profile, I realized that the pictures must be of this Tom Hardy guy.  Apparently I cannot tell him apart from Channing Tatum.  Crazy.  Apparently all white people look alike, even to white people.

    // Not their penii though!


    You're adorable, and I mean that.  But Channing Tatum lays awake at night crying, wishing he could be Tom Hardy.  It's true.  I read it in The Sun.
  • count me in the pro-snipped crowd.  Not that it matters, but, guy I've been with for over 2 years and known for almost 20 years (never saw his one eyed monster until 2 years back) is snipped.  And yeah, I like the look of it.  I'm sure TMI, but if we're watching TV sans kid with the door locked, sometimes the clothes don't stay on and I will admire at my leisure.  Grown up time, we call it :)
  • americans have an opinion on the rest of the world.

    amusing.
  • FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: Circumcision Linked To Lower Prostate Cancer Risk Article Date: 12 Mar 2012 - 12:00 PST

    Nice attempt at moving the goalposts. Or should I say purposely obscuring the issue, but what do I expect from lawyer?


    Considering that you cherry picked two words in my earlier post to reply to and jump in with your outdated letter, I don't think you should really be throwing stones, y'know?
  • Dimensio: Flab: Pangit: "And the 1997 study found that the oral sex gap is considerably narrower among Hispanic and black men, who are more likely to remain uncircumcised than American whites are. In fact, uncircumcised Hispanic men are more likely to engage in oral sex than their circumcised peers. "

    So I'm more likely to receive a BJ from an uncircumcised hispanic male than one who is cut?

    If you're into getting blow jobs by hispanic males, yes.  I guess.

    I am uncertain whether the most appropriate reply to your posting is a picture of a young Antonio Banderas or of an old Danny Trejo.


    Whynotboth.jpg
  • I was with an circumsized guy for 17 yrs, i loved that cock.. it was a thing of beauty, and generally I was a bit leery after that about uncircumsized, but I've learned to appreciate those as well. :D
  • IdBeCrazyIf: nickerj1: You're obviously a Mensa candidate. The child got the original infection because they were uncircumcised. The entire thing could have been avoided if they were circumcised when they should have been.

    What makes that comment, their not yours, is that obviously the circumcision was the most serious event in that persons life. Like they totally read this paragraph

    Dr. Money forced the twins to rehearse sexual acts involving "thrusting movements," with David playing the bottom role.[4] David Reimer painfully recalled that, as a child, he had to get "down on all fours" with his brother, Brian Reimer, "up behind his butt" with "his crotch against" his "buttocks".[4] Dr. Money forced David, in another sexual position, to have his "legs spread" with Brian on top.[4] Dr. Money also forced the children to take their "clothes off" and engage in "genital inspections."[4] On at "least one occasion," Dr. Money took a photograph of the two children doing these activities.[4] Dr. Money's rationale for these various treatments was his belief that "childhood 'sexual rehearsal play'" was important for a "healthy adult gender identity."[4]

    And just kept on trucking like nothing happened.


    Yeah, I read that too and WTFed off that page. That doctor needed to go to prison.
  • palestephie: I actually read this fark link/thread after happening upon The Atlantic article being discussed in the link.   The Atlantic article makes reference to the fact that most of the anti-circumcision crowd are actually women (the all-natural mom stereotype).  Why is this?  Why are dudes so okay with cutting stuff down there on a baby?  Esp like, guys that will even avoid taking scissors to that general region on themselves... (Yea you KNOW what I mean...)


    Probably because they are circumcised and it looks normal to them. I am and I like the way it looks, seems nicer to me. I didn't have my son circumcised though. Just didn't make sense to cut off a healthy body part.
  • gja: Theaetetus: gja: So, you decided the expert doctors article I posted was, in your 'expert' opinion not clear enough or lacking in authoritative background?

    ... yes, and you didn't respond when I pointed out where it was not clear enough. Would you like to do so now?

    Not clear enough? You are beyond dense then. I cannot help you if you lack the requisite cognitive ability to read a very clearly written article by an expert recognized on their field.


    Hey, I understand that you can't address the error I pointed out in your article, but there's really no reason to resort to personal attacks, particularly since they only bring attention to your failure. It'd probably be better to just sneak out of the thread without posting, like so many others do.

    I mean, obviously, better would be to admit that there's an error there and go out to find a clearer citation or another article that addresses it, but come on, who does that?
  • Theaetetus: They know a lot more today:
    Circumcision Linked To Lower Prostate Cancer Risk Article Date: 12 Mar 2012 - 12:00 PST


    Their findings that are published in the journal Cancer, say that it is not clear exactly why it helps reduce prostate cancer, perhaps due to cleanliness or the reduction in STD's....


    So since you brought it up, if these studies are right, guess what else would reduce PROSTATE cancer?

    Washing and condoms.

    Gasp! You mean the same results can be obtained without unnecessary, dangerous SURGERY on a baby's penis? Say it ain't so!

    I am seriously beginning the think you are a misandrist. You are absolutely rabid in defending womens rights but are all for non-consensual surgical alterations of boys genitals.
  • We're a pair of new fangled American parents that didn't go in for the circumcision package at birth.  In fact, the only person who asked about it was the nurse when I called to book his 3 month well baby visit.  I hope no one does wait until 3 months to have it done.  Every one else just naturally assumed we weren't doing it.  Anyhow, being of the female persuasion whose only experience is with circumcised men, I'm SOOO glad I'm not the one who is going to have to explain to the kid how to clean himself when it is able to retract.  Since the husband doesn't have the skin, I do wonder how he's going to broach the subject.
  • Theaetetus: Considering that you cherry picked two words in my earlier post to reply to and jump in with your outdated letter, I don't think you should really be throwing stones, y'know?



    By cherry picking you mean utterly destroy your assertion that circumcision prevents penile and cervical cancer?
  • RockofAges: Peki: Rock of Ages, forgive the lack of quoting, but copy/pasta iPad sucks.

    I've seen him clean it. He can move the skin around, just not pull it all the way back. Neither of us have had any unusual infections (I get a yeastie about once a year, but that's normal when I'm not on birth control). Sex is very pleasurable, just takes a lube, which again, is completely normal, since I tend to run on the dry side and will pop condoms if no lube is applied.

    We have discussed getting it fixed. It appears it's simply a bit of fused skin on the underside that's preventing him, but we don't know if a doc would be willing to just snip the fuse or if they would insist on full circumcision. Again, we've been together four years, and there has been nothing unusual. No unusual taste, smell, nada. He's never had inflammation, and we both have tested negative for STDs the entire time we've been together. He's open to the idea, but honestly, why?

    Again, just because the medical community goes "OMG we can't imagine how this could possibly be hygienic" doesn't mean it can't be, and since I'm quick to get UTIs and yeasties, I would know if there was a problem.

    Peki: There is a large chance that the "fused skin on the underside" is just a normal part -- the frenulum. Again, it is simple "practice" that allows this to extend. If you have never been with another au naturelle man, you may not know the diffence. The general uncut male will be able to unsheathe at any time, with no problem. The frenulum remains attached to the back of the glans, and to the foreskin. It can be VERY tight (esp. as a boy -- who remembers, fellas?) but, as I said, over time and cleaning sessions this problem goes away, usually well before puberty.

    It's good that you've had an open talk about it and I appreciate the candour. I would just sincerely recommend that you guys take SOME action on it because honestly, I don't think he realizes what COULD be if he can get the lolly all the way out there. It's just not fair! ;)

    all the best.


    Meh. All it takes is one long rough fun filled night and a bottle of whiskey sans condom and lube. Thats how i sorta remember it at least. He'll be a little sore maybe bleed a bit. But isn't that basically how it is for girls. Tell him to man up to the level of a teenage girl.
  • And now for obvious trolling

    Uncircumcised dicks look like dog dicks.
  • palestephie: I actually read this fark link/thread after happening upon The Atlantic article being discussed in the link.   The Atlantic article makes reference to the fact that most of the anti-circumcision crowd are actually women (the all-natural mom stereotype).  Why is this?  Why are dudes so okay with cutting stuff down there on a baby?  Esp like, guys that will even avoid taking scissors to that general region on themselves... (Yea you KNOW what I mean...)


    The most common reason I seem to remember hearing is that the fathers themselves are cut- and want their sons to look like they do/not feel like they're 'strange' or 'different'...
  • A Terrible Human: And now for obvious trolling

    Uncircumcised dicks look like dog dicks.


    They don't taste the same, though.
  • A Terrible Human: And now for obvious trolling

    Uncircumcised dicks look like dog dicks.


    I suppose you have experience with both to make that assertion?
  • So does someone have commemerative circumcision thread tutrlenecks?
  • FarkinHostile: Theaetetus: Considering that you cherry picked two words in my earlier post to reply to and jump in with your outdated letter, I don't think you should really be throwing stones, y'know?


    By cherry picking you mean utterly destroy your assertion that circumcision prevents penile and cervical cancer?


    By cherry picking, I'm referring to the fact that I listed several different preventative features, and you selectively quoted to address only that one. You know, cherry picking.

    Oh, and just for good measure, here's a 2011 study to counter your letter from two decades ago:
    There was a strong protective effect of childhood/adolescent circumcision on invasive penile cancer (OR = 0.33; 95% CI 0.13-0.83; 3 studies).
  • poot_rootbeer: Circumcision: unnecessary, largely harmless.

    Can we be done with this debate now?


    "Largely harmless." Interesting way to phrase that when you could more appropriately say "potentially harmful".
  • gadian: We're a pair of new fangled American parents that didn't go in for the circumcision package at birth.  In fact, the only person who asked about it was the nurse when I called to book his 3 month well baby visit.  I hope no one does wait until 3 months to have it done.  Every one else just naturally assumed we weren't doing it.  Anyhow, being of the female persuasion whose only experience is with circumcised men, I'm SOOO glad I'm not the one who is going to have to explain to the kid how to clean himself when it is able to retract.  Since the husband doesn't have the skin, I do wonder how he's going to broach the subject.


    I had the same issue and had to do some research on the web to learn what needed to be done. One thing I had no idea about is that the foreskin can't be fully retracted till he's about five years old. Just tell him matter of factly what he needs to do when you are teaching him to wash himself.
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