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  • "Based on this meeting and discussion by our team, the decision was made that Anthony is currently not a transplant candidate due to having a history of noncompliance, which is one of our center's contraindications to listing for heart transplant," the hospital said in a letter to Stokes' family.
    Due to a lack of donors, hospitals have strict guidelines for who can receive an organ. Noncompliance generally refers to patients who refuse to take medications or fail to show up to clinic visits. But Stokes' family says the teen is considered noncompliant in part because of his low grades and trouble with the law.


    He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?
  • The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?


    I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

    I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.
  • Or the family is making shiat up because they're understandably desperate and frustrated.
  • IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

    I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

    I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.


    I don't think that somebody who does take their meds and show up for clinic visits should have to miss out on a heart over somebody who won't bother to do either one. And irresponsibility has been killing teenagers for as long as there have been teenagers.
  • As someone who's also been through the "will he? or won't he?" test (and passed), I can say that doctors are VERY concerned that their transplant patients will be absolutely compliant with the prescribed medications, therapies, clinic visits, etc post-transplant, or else the organ (and patient) will suffer decline and die.  A wasted organ in a landscape of scarcity is unacceptable.  So YES - it's perfectly understandable to take a good hard look at a patient's history of compliance - both generally in life and specifically medical - to factor in to whether or not they receive a transplant.  I've known two patients who were booted from the lung transplant program because they didn't attend the educational seminars (as required).  They eventually reformed and were accepted back in.  If this kid can maybe knuckle down, get his grades up, stop hanging out with the wrong crowd (or whatever the hell it is he's been doing), he may show enough self-discipline that the transplant team will take a chance on him.
  • Momma says RIGHT IN THE VIDEO "...because he wouldn't take his meds...."
  • IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

    I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

    I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.


    You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

    For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.
  • IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

    I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

    I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.



    "Mere irresponsibility" has resulted in the death of many a teenager.


    /Darwin insists
  • Gwendolyn: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

    I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

    I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

    You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

    For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.


    But the operative word here is "kid."

    I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria.  All I'm saying is that there should be some sort of Plan B here, such as an artificial heart.
  • IntertubeUser: Gwendolyn: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

    I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

    I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

    You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

    For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.

    But the operative word here is "kid."

    I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria.  All I'm saying is that there should be some sort of Plan B here, such as an artificial heart.


    What about the kids who take their medications? Why should they get bumped further down the list for one who won't?
  • The My Little Pony Killer: IntertubeUser: Gwendolyn: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

    I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

    I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

    You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

    For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.

    But the operative word here is "kid."

    I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria.  All I'm saying is that there should be some sort of Plan B here, such as an artificial heart.

    What about the kids who take their medications? Why should they get bumped further down the list for one who won't?


    No.  Please re-read my post.
  • IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: IntertubeUser: Gwendolyn: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

    I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

    I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

    You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

    For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.

    But the operative word here is "kid."

    I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria.  All I'm saying is that there should be some sort of Plan B here, such as an artificial heart.

    What about the kids who take their medications? Why should they get bumped further down the list for one who won't?

    No.  Please re-read my post.


    I did read your post. The fact of the matter is the kid you are defending has a history of not taking his meds. I'm sure there are other children on that list who do take their meds. Why should they have to be bumped further down the list in favor of somebody who refuses to take care of the body they already have?
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  • IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: IntertubeUser: Gwendolyn: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

    I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

    I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

    You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

    For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.

    But the operative word here is "kid."

    I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria.  All I'm saying is that there should be some sort of Plan B here, such as an artificial heart.

    What about the kids who take their medications? Why should they get bumped further down the list for one who won't?

    No.  Please re-read my post.


    Are artificial hearts feasible in all patients, or do they only work in certain conditions?  There could be medical issues why it wouldn't work, or maybe it's something that doctors are considering and that didn't make it into the tiny blurb of an article.  Who knows, it's beyond the scope of what we know.
  • But Stokes' family says the teen is considered noncompliant in part because of his low grades and trouble with the law.

    Y'know when you're drinking with your friends and someone poses the hypothetical of whether you would donate an organ to a convicted criminal? Looks like we have a definitive answer.
  • IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

    I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

    I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.


    The problem is that there aren't enough spare hearts to go around, and it's up to transplant boards to attach objective criteria to highly emotionally-charged situations.  There are probably other teenagers on the list who are good students and responsible citizens, who are less likely to waste the gift they've been lucky enough to receive.
  • The My Little Pony Killer: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: IntertubeUser: Gwendolyn: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

    I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

    I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

    You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

    For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.

    But the operative word here is "kid."

    I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria.  All I'm saying is that there should be some sort of Plan B here, such as an artificial heart.

    What about the kids who take their medications? Why should they get bumped further down the list for one who won't?

    No.  Please re-read my post.

    I did read your post. The fact of the matter is the kid you are defending has a history of not taking his meds. I'm sure there are other children on that list who do take their meds. Why should they have to be bumped further down the list in favor of somebody who refuses to take care of the body they already have?


    Then you missed where I wrote, "I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria."

    No one should get bumped down a list.

    I'll type slower for ya next time.
  • IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: IntertubeUser: Gwendolyn: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: He's already shown that he's not going to take care of the body he already has. Why should one of the limited donor hearts go to him over somebody who will take care of it?

    I guess I can understand the dilemma, but why isn't an artificial heart a last resort or temporary option here?

    I'd be cool if my tax dollars were used to pay for it.  I don't think that mere irresponsibility should be a death sentence for a teenager.

    You would still eventually need a donor heart and not qualifying for it now for that reason will still be unqualified for it later. Especially if he is in need of a transplant because he wouldn't take his medication, Getting a transplant isn't something you can wait 5 years or so until you pull your head out of your butt and realize you need to follow doctor's advice. It sucks but why give this kid a heart and be back here needing another transplant in a year or two if someone else who would take great care of it dies on the list?

    For kids they generally look at the parents too. Whatever they saw there wasn't any better than the kid.

    But the operative word here is "kid."

    I'm not saying that he should get a human heart ahead of anyone else, especially another kid who meets the criteria.  All I'm saying is that there should be some sort of Plan B here, such as an artificial heart.

    What about the kids who take their medications? Why should they get bumped further down the list for one who won't?

    No.  Please re-read my post.

    I did read your post. The fact of the matter is the kid you are defending has a history of not taking his meds. I'm sure there are other children on that list who do take their meds. Why should they have to be bumped further down the list in favor of somebody who refuses to take care of the body they already have?

    Then you missed where I wrote, "I'm not saying that he should get a human h ...


    Okay, so why should a kid who won't take care of his body get to have TWO surgeries?
  • I wonder if there is anything more than this.

    Low grades and trouble with the law does not sound like anything legally plausible for denial of transplants. The hospital, likewise, deals with issues of patient confidentiality, so their comment was meant to be neutral sounding as possible.

    Someone is lying. But who?
  • The My Little Pony Killer: Okay, so why should a kid who won't take care of his body get to have TWO surgeries?


    Because we live in a gotdamned civilized society, where the life of a human actually matters (or it should).  That's why.

    Now, if this KID needs to be put in a home with guardians who'll ram the medicine down his pie hole for him, then so be it.  But letting a KID die because he's an idiot or irresponsible is bullshiat.
  • IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: Okay, so why should a kid who won't take care of his body get to have TWO surgeries?

    Because we live in a gotdamned civilized society, where the life of a human actually matters (or it should).  That's why.

    Now, if this KID needs to be put in a home with guardians who'll ram the medicine down his pie hole for him, then so be it.  But letting a KID die because he's an idiot or irresponsible is bullshiat.


    You can't help everyone.

    These organs are not something that they have a farkload of. Its nothing like that. The reason why they have these lists is to come up with a filter. because there are too many people and not enough organs. I am sorry, but why make an exception for him? He didn't follow the rules.
  • IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: Okay, so why should a kid who won't take care of his body get to have TWO surgeries?

    Because we live in a gotdamned civilized society, where the life of a human actually matters (or it should).  That's why.

    Now, if this KID needs to be put in a home with guardians who'll ram the medicine down his pie hole for him, then so be it.  But letting a KID die because he's an idiot or irresponsible is bullshiat.


    Oh my god. Think about all the other KIDS you're willing to push further down a list in favor of the one KID who refuses to take his medication or take care of his body.

    Yes, I get it, you think that children are all innocent and pure and need to be protected at any cost, but you are honestly a selfish jerk if you can't consider, for one second, all of the other KIDS who are trying to take care of themselves and who put in the effort to do simple things like TAKE THE MEDICATIONS THEY NEED TO LIVE and SHOW UP TO THE APPOINTMENTS THEY SCHEDULE.

    Why should society put any more time and effort than they already have into somebody who is clearly not interested in the life they do have?
  • cman: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: Okay, so why should a kid who won't take care of his body get to have TWO surgeries?

    Because we live in a gotdamned civilized society, where the life of a human actually matters (or it should).  That's why.

    Now, if this KID needs to be put in a home with guardians who'll ram the medicine down his pie hole for him, then so be it.  But letting a KID die because he's an idiot or irresponsible is bullshiat.

    You can't help everyone.

    These organs are not something that they have a farkload of. Its nothing like that. The reason why they have these lists is to come up with a filter because there are too many people and not enough organs. I am sorry, but why make an exception for him? He didn't follow the rules.


    Whoops, misplaced period. Fixt
  • cman: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: Okay, so why should a kid who won't take care of his body get to have TWO surgeries?

    Because we live in a gotdamned civilized society, where the life of a human actually matters (or it should).  That's why.

    Now, if this KID needs to be put in a home with guardians who'll ram the medicine down his pie hole for him, then so be it.  But letting a KID die because he's an idiot or irresponsible is bullshiat.

    You can't help everyone.

    These organs are not something that they have a farkload of. Its nothing like that. The reason why they have these lists is to come up with a filter. because there are too many people and not enough organs. I am sorry, but why make an exception for him? He didn't follow the rules.


    Pretty much this. Still sucks, but AFAIK they don't have enough donor organs for those who meet all criteria.
  • cman: IntertubeUser: The My Little Pony Killer: Okay, so why should a kid who won't take care of his body get to have TWO surgeries?

    Because we live in a gotdamned civilized society, where the life of a human actually matters (or it should).  That's why.

    Now, if this KID needs to be put in a home with guardians who'll ram the medicine down his pie hole for him, then so be it.  But letting a KID die because he's an idiot or irresponsible is bullshiat.

    You can't help everyone.

    These organs are not something that they have a farkload of. Its nothing like that. The reason why they have these lists is to come up with a filter. because there are too many people and not enough organs. I am sorry, but why make an exception for him? He didn't follow the rules.


    I wasn't saying to give him an organ.  I was wondering why an artificial heart wasn't an option here.
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