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  • Is this one of those things where they just take their yearly operational budget and divide it by the amount of time this event went on and claim the event "cost" them that much?
  • No thanks. I remember their visit near here in 1992.
  • Clemkadidlefark: No thanks. I remember their visit near here in 1992.


    this.  they've come to montana many times.  each time it's a clusterfark.  they are welcome to not come back.
  • Which just means the Montana branch of the FS will have an extra $500k in next years budget. If they ended the year $500k under, clearly they didn't need it.
  • Pfft... who cares.    The FED could print that in 7 seconds.    Raise the debt ceiling,  add 10 billion for next month and viola....   surplus.

    No worries, everybody gets some.
  • What's stupid? Allowing everyone equal use of the area? Apparently subby wants only subby-approved gatherings. The USFS would have spent the same amount if it had been a 10,000-person gathering of the Make A Wish Foundation, or subby's mom's boyfriends.
  • manimal2878: Is this one of those things where they just take their yearly operational budget and divide it by the amount of time this event went on and claim the event "cost" them that much?


    No. These "earth-loving hippies" have a tendency to cut unauthorized trails, unlawfully collect wood, create impromptu latrines, and generally just tear the place up. Not necessarily in a malicious or spiteful sense, but in the sense of they don't necessarily recognize the cumulative environmental effects that large-group camping has. There are also security and law enforcement concerns with them every year -- there are inevitably some bad actors that slip in with them and cause real trouble, some drug overdose and/or distribution problems, a few fights that have to get broken up, and a million little petty offenses of various types. The Forest Service really doesn't like having to deal with these guys every year, but they don't have much choice, and they definitely put on extra staff when it gets announced that the Rainbow Family gathering is coming to your ranger district this year.
  • Despite making only two arrests at the Rainbow Family gathering near Jackson this summer, the U.S. Forest Service spent nearly $400,000 on law enforcement and more than $500,000 overall.

    Meh.  I'm not a Rainbow kid but I have an ex who was one and a very good friend and an acquaintance went out there this year.

    I trust my friend, but it was her first one and she was just there for a week.  Instead I'll trust a local writer over the Forest Service, whose opinion can be seen in the url:

    http://missoulian.com/news/opinion/c olumnists/george-ochenski-rainbo w- gathering-friendly-to-land-and-visitor s-alike/article_9d14a0b4-e20a-11 e2-bdb8-0019bb2963f4.html

    All the paths were carefully defined with lodgepole logs laid on the borders. There were no harsh words, no garbage, no cigarette butts, and no stinky souvenirs from roaming dogs. In fact, the entire area was cleaner than most of our fishing access sites and state parks.

    Early Rainbow Gatherings relied heavily on the expertise of Vietnam veterans who knew how to keep thousands of people healthy in primitive settings. Long strands of plastic pipe brought clean water down from springs far above the highest campers. Five gallon buckets were lifted into trees on ropes, where gravity provided the pressure to feed the water through standard, under-the-sink water filters. Pit latrines modestly shielded with small logs were scattered throughout the area, each with a container of lime to sprinkle in after Nature's Call, and containers of diluted bleach with which to wash your hands. Wherever a path crossed even the tiniest of streams, small bridges spanned the water to prevent erosion.


    Again, never been, but from what I've heard they practice what they preach.  I'm okay with those kind of hippies.
  • An expenditure of $395,540 for law enforcement.

    To make two arrests.
  • Police states aren't free.

    I mean, they're hippies hanging out in the woods, you seriously want to leave them alone to frolic without a perimeter of cops hanging out and doing nothing? What if they conjure up Satan?
  • In 1990 I was living in Burlington VT for the summer and a guy I knew let 3 rainbow chicks crash at his house for 2 days. He had to fumigate it afterwards. Also got crabs.


    csb
  • manimal2878: Is this one of those things where they just take their yearly operational budget and divide it by the amount of time this event went on and claim the event "cost" them that much?


    That's the way I read the math.  Looks like they spent a few bucks on overtime and a little travel money.  I'm not familiar with this kind of "camping" but wouldn't there have been some usage fees paid too?  I mean I go camping with 50 relatives every year for a week and it runs $1000 or so for the campsites.  Am I foolish to assume there were tens of thousands of dollars spent on campsite fees or is this just people squatting down out in the middle of the forest?
  • The chance to see naked, naive hippie chicks make it a reasonable deal. The government spends lots more money on far less worthy things.
  • Montana question:

    I've been to Montana, and never seen a single sheep. Where did that "sheep farking" thing come from? Did there used to be sheep? Was I in the wrong part????
  • Cletus C.: The chance to see naked, naive hippie chicks make it a reasonable deal. The government spends lots more money on far less worthy things.


    Go on...
  • The first time I heard about a Rainbow Family Gathering, it was from people discussing the folks they knew who went to one and came back fried. Some family.
  • Sgygus: An expenditure of $395,540 for law enforcement.

    To make two arrests.


    Yeah, but they had to supply them with donuts, too.

    Was around for the 60's and will tell you that the 60's hippie chicks were much better looking than the earth mamas in that picture.  Captain ZsuZsu, those type of mopes are timeless.
  • a particular individual: What's stupid? Allowing everyone equal use of the area? Apparently subby wants only subby-approved gatherings. The USFS would have spent the same amount if it had been a 10,000-person gathering of the Make A Wish Foundation, or subby's mom's boyfriends.


    Maybe subby thinks the amount of money spent on "law enforcement" for two arrests is stupid.
  • brandent: manimal2878: Is this one of those things where they just take their yearly operational budget and divide it by the amount of time this event went on and claim the event "cost" them that much?

    That's the way I read the math.  Looks like they spent a few bucks on overtime and a little travel money.  I'm not familiar with this kind of "camping" but wouldn't there have been some usage fees paid too?  I mean I go camping with 50 relatives every year for a week and it runs $1000 or so for the campsites.  Am I foolish to assume there were tens of thousands of dollars spent on campsite fees or is this just people squatting down out in the middle of the forest?


    I don't know how it is where this gathering was, but the GWNF and Jefferson Ntnl Forrest here in VA have no fees if you're not staying in the official camp grounds. I go camping a couple times a month throughout the summer and once a month the rest of the year and other than gas to get there, gear and food, it's free.
  • They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.
  • spunkymunky: brandent: manimal2878: Is this one of those things where they just take their yearly operational budget and divide it by the amount of time this event went on and claim the event "cost" them that much?

    That's the way I read the math.  Looks like they spent a few bucks on overtime and a little travel money.  I'm not familiar with this kind of "camping" but wouldn't there have been some usage fees paid too?  I mean I go camping with 50 relatives every year for a week and it runs $1000 or so for the campsites.  Am I foolish to assume there were tens of thousands of dollars spent on campsite fees or is this just people squatting down out in the middle of the forest?

    I don't know how it is where this gathering was, but the GWNF and Jefferson Ntnl Forrest here in VA have no fees if you're not staying in the official camp grounds. I go camping a couple times a month throughout the summer and once a month the rest of the year and other than gas to get there, gear and food, it's free.


    Unless otherwise posted you can camp anywhere in a national forest for free.
  • spunkymunky: brandent: manimal2878: Is this one of those things where they just take their yearly operational budget and divide it by the amount of time this event went on and claim the event "cost" them that much?

    That's the way I read the math.  Looks like they spent a few bucks on overtime and a little travel money.  I'm not familiar with this kind of "camping" but wouldn't there have been some usage fees paid too?  I mean I go camping with 50 relatives every year for a week and it runs $1000 or so for the campsites.  Am I foolish to assume there were tens of thousands of dollars spent on campsite fees or is this just people squatting down out in the middle of the forest?

    I don't know how it is where this gathering was, but the GWNF and Jefferson Ntnl Forrest here in VA have no fees if you're not staying in the official camp grounds. I go camping a couple times a month throughout the summer and once a month the rest of the year and other than gas to get there, gear and food, it's free.


    If it is free why did it just cost 500k?
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