They're conducting a controlled failure to better understand how the failure occurs. I work with civil engineers who build actual buildings just for the purpose of knocking them over. Same idea.
This is a great thing, as it reinforces the idea that not every meltdown leads to catastrophic destruction. It results in a tiny bit of radioactive metal melting.
vudukungfu:Fubini: as it reinforces the idea that not every meltdown leads to catastrophic destruction. It results in a tiny bit of radioactive metal melting.
Or Godzilla. I'll just wait and see.
Why not both? This is Japan after all, they're big on efficiency.
b2theory:The US did this awhile back. The moltan fuel slag will pretty much burn through anything until it spreads out enough to no longer be critical.
And that's the history explaining why here in America we have Arkansas.
I'm sure that this will end up a resounding success and that nothing bad like radiation contamination will not occur. 100% completely safe. After all, with TEPCO's record of being totally honest, utterly credible, and on top of everything after Fukushima, we should believe them.
b2theory:The US did this awhile back. The moltan fuel slag will pretty much burn through anything until it spreads out enough to no longer be critical.
Yeah that.
It's not the melting fuel that poses the biggest threat in a meltdown. It's the ensuing explosion caused by steam as a result of the out of control heating of the water surrounding the fuel rods.
/not an expert //do live close to Hanford ///radioactive rabbits and tumbleweeds
If I recall, I said a lot of things that sounded very close to that (prefaced by "don't worry") back in the 80's, after a long night's bar-crawl that ended up with me in some woman's apartment.
So I was looking for an appropriate facepalm picture...
I'm not a nuclear engineer or operator. I am a lowly little RP tech. All I can say is, WTF Tepco, we have a enough problems without you constantly giving ammunition to our loudest opponents.
hammettman:If I recall, I said a lot of things that sounded very close to that (prefaced by "don't worry") back in the 80's, after a long night's bar-crawl that ended up with me in some woman's apartment.
will it be like when the USSR tested what would happen during a total coolant loss at Chernobyl? because they WERE running such a test, when the dissaster happened.
b2theory:The US did this awhile back. The moltan fuel slag will pretty much burn through anything until it spreads out enough to no longer be critical.
I know that the US did it at the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory in 1985. Simulate worst case of what could have happene at 3 Mile Island
STWAP it Japan, just stop it. I get it, modern nuclear reactors are safe and provide an unlimited source of immense energy. But one of those requirements is building it on STABLE GROUND. Your entire nation is the result of VOLCANIC ACTIVITY and you drill every year on a national scale for EARTHQUAKES, TSUNAMIS, and VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS. Not exactly the ideal place to put a nuclear reactor.
/US really needs to get on the ball about nuclear energy if they want to "save the environment"
madgordy:will it be like when the USSR tested what would happen during a total coolant loss at Chernobyl? because they WERE running such a test, when the dissaster happened.
Well that wasn't the intent of Chernobyl's dumbassery but that is what happened in a roundabout sort of way. The point of Chernobyl was to see if, during a turbine trip, the coast down of the main turbine could be used to power the primary coolant pumps while the emergency diesel generators got their shiat together. This apparently being a better idea than buying new generators.
dusty15893:b2theory: The US did this awhile back. The moltan fuel slag will pretty much burn through anything until it spreads out enough to no longer be critical.
Yeah that.
It's not the melting fuel that poses the biggest threat in a meltdown. It's the ensuing explosion caused by steam as a result of the out of control heating of the water surrounding the fuel rods.
/not an expert //do live close to Hanford ///radioactive rabbits and tumbleweeds
My favorite part of the history of the Manhattan Project is the site selection process: "We need somewhere that's such a God forsaken wasteland, if the reactors explode no one will care." "Got just the place, boss."
My favorite part of the history of the Manhattan Project is the site selection process: "We need somewhere that's such a God forsaken wasteland, if the reactors explode no one will care." "Got just the place, boss."
So why did they second guess themselves and not build it in New Jersey?
Fubini:They're conducting a controlled failure to better understand how the failure occurs. I work with civil engineers who build actual buildings just for the purpose of knocking them over. Same idea.
This is a great thing, as it reinforces the idea that not every meltdown leads to catastrophic destruction. It results in a tiny bit of radioactive metal melting.
Yup. A couple of years ago there was a program on TV where they did a big scale science experiment--crashing an old jetliner. It was heavily equipped with cameras and the like and they pancaked it in like might happen to a plane that lost power--the sort of crash where some will live and some will die.
b2theory:The US did this awhile back. The moltan fuel slag will pretty much burn through anything until it spreads out enough to no longer be critical.
Although from Chernobyl we saw that it would take the path of least resistance--while it can burn through stuff below it it would prefer to flow into already open space. This spreads it out and the reaction goes out.
My favorite part of the history of the Manhattan Project is the site selection process: "We need somewhere that's such a God forsaken wasteland, if the reactors explode no one will care." "Got just the place, boss."
So why did they second guess themselves and not build it in New Jersey?
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This is a great thing, as it reinforces the idea that not every meltdown leads to catastrophic destruction. It results in a tiny bit of radioactive metal melting.
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Fubini: as it reinforces the idea that not every meltdown leads to catastrophic destruction. It results in a tiny bit of radioactive metal melting.
Or Godzilla.
I'll just wait and see.
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vudukungfu: Fubini: as it reinforces the idea that not every meltdown leads to catastrophic destruction. It results in a tiny bit of radioactive metal melting.
Or Godzilla.
I'll just wait and see.
Why not both? This is Japan after all, they're big on efficiency.
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b2theory: The US did this awhile back. The moltan fuel slag will pretty much burn through anything until it spreads out enough to no longer be critical.
And that's the history explaining why here in America we have Arkansas.
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It's more Maxwell Smart than Pee-wee Herman.
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b2theory: The US did this awhile back. The moltan fuel slag will pretty much burn through anything until it spreads out enough to no longer be critical.
Yeah that.
It's not the melting fuel that poses the biggest threat in a meltdown. It's the ensuing explosion caused by steam as a result of the out of control heating of the water surrounding the fuel rods.
/not an expert
//do live close to Hanford
///radioactive rabbits and tumbleweeds
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I'm not a nuclear engineer or operator. I am a lowly little RP tech. All I can say is, WTF Tepco, we have a enough problems without you constantly giving ammunition to our loudest opponents.
/waves tiny flags in support of Vogtle 3 and 4
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hammettman: If I recall, I said a lot of things that sounded very close to that (prefaced by "don't worry") back in the 80's, after a long night's bar-crawl that ended up with me in some woman's apartment.
more detail so we can give you a CSB.
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b2theory: The US did this awhile back. The moltan fuel slag will pretty much burn through anything until it spreads out enough to no longer be critical.
I know that the US did it at the Idaho National Engineering Laboratory in 1985. Simulate worst case of what could have happene at 3 Mile Island
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/US really needs to get on the ball about nuclear energy if they want to "save the environment"
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madgordy: will it be like when the USSR tested what would happen during a total coolant loss at Chernobyl? because they WERE running such a test, when the dissaster happened.
Well that wasn't the intent of Chernobyl's dumbassery but that is what happened in a roundabout sort of way. The point of Chernobyl was to see if, during a turbine trip, the coast down of the main turbine could be used to power the primary coolant pumps while the emergency diesel generators got their shiat together. This apparently being a better idea than buying new generators.
/oh Russian engineering you so crazy
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Wow what an extremely disingenuous way of ending the article.
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dusty15893: b2theory: The US did this awhile back. The moltan fuel slag will pretty much burn through anything until it spreads out enough to no longer be critical.
Yeah that.
It's not the melting fuel that poses the biggest threat in a meltdown. It's the ensuing explosion caused by steam as a result of the out of control heating of the water surrounding the fuel rods.
/not an expert
//do live close to Hanford
///radioactive rabbits and tumbleweeds
My favorite part of the history of the Manhattan Project is the site selection process: "We need somewhere that's such a God forsaken wasteland, if the reactors explode no one will care." "Got just the place, boss."
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My favorite part of the history of the Manhattan Project is the site selection process: "We need somewhere that's such a God forsaken wasteland, if the reactors explode no one will care." "Got just the place, boss."
So why did they second guess themselves and not build it in New Jersey?
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Fubini: They're conducting a controlled failure to better understand how the failure occurs. I work with civil engineers who build actual buildings just for the purpose of knocking them over. Same idea.
This is a great thing, as it reinforces the idea that not every meltdown leads to catastrophic destruction. It results in a tiny bit of radioactive metal melting.
Yup. A couple of years ago there was a program on TV where they did a big scale science experiment--crashing an old jetliner. It was heavily equipped with cameras and the like and they pancaked it in like might happen to a plane that lost power--the sort of crash where some will live and some will die.
b2theory: The US did this awhile back. The moltan fuel slag will pretty much burn through anything until it spreads out enough to no longer be critical.
Although from Chernobyl we saw that it would take the path of least resistance--while it can burn through stuff below it it would prefer to flow into already open space. This spreads it out and the reaction goes out.
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xria: whither_apophis:
My favorite part of the history of the Manhattan Project is the site selection process: "We need somewhere that's such a God forsaken wasteland, if the reactors explode no one will care." "Got just the place, boss."
So why did they second guess themselves and not build it in New Jersey?
Turns out you need clean water too.
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