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  • Let's see what Scotland does.  England isn't going to be happy if they decide to stay in the EU.
  • Downing Street insisting Mrs May is ready to 'walk away' if there is an attempt to punish us for leaving

    That's a great way to get stuck with WTO rules after the clock runs out.
  • Marcus Aurelius: Let's see what Scotland does.  England isn't going to be happy if they decide to stay in the EU.


    For one, Scotland cannot "stay in the EU". They will be leaving either way. The EU have said they will have to apply from scratch. Secondly the SNP said they won't apply to join the EU because a lot of their supporters are anti EU, but Nicola Sturgeon has now walked back on that statement. Either way, they'll be leaving the EU.

    And secondly, if they choose to leave and join the EU why would England be upset? Many don't want them to leave, but if they leave why would we not want them to do what they want?

    Marcus Aurelius: Downing Street insisting Mrs May is ready to 'walk away' if there is an attempt to punish us for leaving

    That's a great way to get stuck with WTO rules after the clock runs out.


    Making it clear you are prepared to walk is the best way to get a good deal. That's why Cameron got such a terrible deal before the vote. He'd made it clear he would support whatever deal he got, no matter how good or bad it was.
  • EU:  well...bye!
  • So...April fools?
  • MaudlinMutantMollusk: So...April fools?


    Well, it is the Daily Mail, after all. The journalistic equivalent of groundhogs forecasting an early spring...
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  • Marcus Aurelius: Downing Street insisting Mrs May is ready to 'walk away' if there is an attempt to punish us for leaving

    That's a great way to get stuck with WTO rules after the clock runs out.


    You know, if I was the EU negotiator, my preferred strategy would be to get the UK to adhere to what would effectively be the same deal it has now, minus a few bennies to make the point that temper tantrums have consequences.  Of course, after that little bon mot from Her Imperial Twatness, my starting position would be that the British Isles was to be made the Belgian Congo of Europe - and I would ratchet it downward every time Viscount Warblyspanker harrumphed.  Because at some point, you just tell the farkers to burn.
  • Ron Vibbentrop: And secondly, if they choose to leave and join the EU why would England be upset? Many don't want them to leave, but if they leave why would we not want them to do what they want?


    If Scotland were in the EU while England and Wales (neither the term "United Kingdom" nor "Britain" would apply anymore) were not, then a bunch of important banking would move from London to Edinburgh so they could continue to benefit from "being in the EU."
  • Good thing they didnt drop the pound.
  • Just let me know when the Germans take Paris.
  • Ron Vibbentrop: Making it clear you are prepared to walk is the best way to get a good deal.


    Not when the other party knows walking away is worse for you.
  • Marcus Aurelius: Downing Street insisting Mrs May is ready to 'walk away' if there is an attempt to punish us for leaving

    That's a great way to get stuck with WTO rules after the clock runs out.


    I'm confused.  Brexit is 'walking away', what is the negotiating strategy here?  If you don't give us what we want, we're still leaving!

    Ok?  Bye?
  • Ron Vibbentrop: That's why Cameron got such a terrible deal before the vote


    What deal was that?  I must have missed the terrible deal they had, because I don't remember a terrible deal.  There was a rash of xenophobia, and then Cameron up and decides he's going to have a referendum on staying in the EU.  That's how this whole mess started.  I think?
  • flondrix: Ron Vibbentrop: And secondly, if they choose to leave and join the EU why would England be upset? Many don't want them to leave, but if they leave why would we not want them to do what they want?

    If Scotland were in the EU while England and Wales (neither the term "United Kingdom" nor "Britain" would apply anymore) were not, then a bunch of important banking would move from London to Edinburgh so they could continue to benefit from "being in the EU."


    Imagine the black market opportunities over the border.
  • squegeebooo: Marcus Aurelius: Downing Street insisting Mrs May is ready to 'walk away' if there is an attempt to punish us for leaving

    That's a great way to get stuck with WTO rules after the clock runs out.

    I'm confused.  Brexit is 'walking away', what is the negotiating strategy here?  If you don't give us what we want, we're still leaving!

    Ok?  Bye?


    They close their borders and stop all trade with the rest of Europe? A bold strategy, let's see how that works out for them.
  • At least we won't have to even bother to pretend like the Premier League is worth jack shiat in a Euro tourney.
  • Marcus Aurelius: Let's see what Scotland does.  England isn't going to be happy if they decide to stay in the EU.


    Marcus Aurelius: Downing Street insisting Mrs May is ready to 'walk away' if there is an attempt to punish us for leaving

    That's a great way to get stuck with WTO rules after the clock runs out.


    I'm not sure the Brexiting England has cottoned to just how much its constituent nations contribute to their economy. England itself mostly just makes drugs and aircraft (and spacecraft) parts. Once they're out of the EU, the aircraft industry will relocate to the EU, leaving them with the drugs.
    And they don't even have the good shiat; Scotland's got it all in Glasgow.
  • squegeebooo: Marcus Aurelius: Downing Street insisting Mrs May is ready to 'walk away' if there is an attempt to punish us for leaving

    That's a great way to get stuck with WTO rules after the clock runs out.

    I'm confused.  Brexit is 'walking away', what is the negotiating strategy here?  If you don't give us what we want, we're still leaving!

    Ok?  Bye?


    After invoking Brexit, the EU and UK have to sit down and determine how they will disentangle themselves, and what parts of the current agreements will be retained.  It is supposed to be a two year process.  If, after two years, there is no agreement, the UK is effectively sitting there with its John Thomas in its hand.  All they would have is whatever minimal trade rights everyone gets under the WTO.  The British position is "treat us as royalty or we will blow our own dick off".  Right now, the eponymous nameless, faceless unelected bureaucrat in Brussels is scratching his head wondering why he didn't think of Brexit before in his eternal quest to ravage the Isles with nuclear fire.
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