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  • Aaaaaaand the first one is gone...with only a minute to spare on the death warrant.

    *sigh*

    WTG, Arkistan.
  • We got to a weird point about executions. A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry. More NASA employees have died from nitrogen flushed spaces than in rocket flight. They collapsed and died unconscious almost instantly, since it's an excess of CO2 that causes gasping. Pure nitrogen just zonks out the victim.
  • wildcardjack: We got to a weird point about executions. A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry. More NASA employees have died from nitrogen flushed spaces than in rocket flight. They collapsed and died unconscious almost instantly, since it's an excess of CO2 that causes gasping. Pure nitrogen just zonks out the victim.


    And that's exactly why nitrogen-induced hypoxia will never be an execution method in the US.

    The point of executions, at least in America, isn't to kill the condemned - it's to PUNISH the condemned. That's why gas chamber executions are done with cyanide gas instead of nitrogen gas, why lethal injection executions routinely "accidentally" under-dose the anesthetic that's supposed to paralyze and render unconscious the prisoner, and why Florida stopped using the electric chair after a fault in the wiring caused a prisoner to die instantly (read:too quickly to feel even the slightest bit of pain).

    The fact that there's a non-zero chance that the Supreme Court may one day rule 5-4 that a punishment needs to be cruel AND unusual in order to violate the 8th Amendment means that it's only a matter of time before red states start literally going Medieval on the asses of the coloreds and the poors.
  • Just like the movies; the black dude always dies first.
  • He was on death row for 24 years. And his lawyers are complaining about the state's "rush to execute" denied him the opportunity to have his DNA tested.

    24 years.
  • wildcardjack: We got to a weird point about executions. A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry. More NASA employees have died from nitrogen flushed spaces than in rocket flight. They collapsed and died unconscious almost instantly, since it's an excess of CO2 that causes gasping. Pure nitrogen just zonks out the victim.


    I was going to suggest meth or heroine, but yea Nitrogen would be quicker and more effective.
  • wildcardjack: We got to a weird point about executions. A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry. More NASA employees have died from nitrogen flushed spaces than in rocket flight. They collapsed and died unconscious almost instantly, since it's an excess of CO2 that causes gasping. Pure nitrogen just zonks out the victim.


    Honestly, a state that wants to continue using the death penalty should just legally require the use of medication that's been allowed in any state for physician assisted suicide.
  • Ah yes, the US motto "Better to execute 100 innocent people, than one criminal to go free"

    /not saying that this guy was innocent
    //but he could have been seeing that you denied him DNA analysis
  • King Something: why lethal injection executions routinely "accidentally" under-dose the anesthetic that's supposed to paralyze and render unconscious the prisoner, and why Florida stopped using the electric chair after a fault in the wiring caused a prisoner to die instantly (read:too quickly to feel even the slightest bit of pain).


    The real farking problem isn't that really.  They're not under-dosing - they're using the only drugs available to them because pharma and drug compounding facilities do NOT want to sell drugs to be used for lethal injection.  It's not a good look for them.  And it's not like states haven't executed later proven by DNA evidence innocent, cause they have.

    Lethal injection is a 3-part deal in the US.  The sedative, the paralytic/muscle relaxant, and the potassium chloride to eventually stop the heart.  The problem is when States can't buy #1.  The gold standard is/was Sodium thiopental.  Hyper-fast acting barbiturate that will render someone unconscious in seconds, able to last hours and hours.  After that, it was Pentobarbital, another strong sedative.

    Arkansas purchased under false pretenses a drug called Vecuronium bromide, which is not so much a sedative as it is a paralytic because it's an extreme muscle relaxer, and it's short acting - minutes to up to an hour.  Basically, unless everything goes flawlessly, there's a good chance the executed will be in paralysis and pain throughout the experience. The most notable is when they're using the sedative midazolam https://www.theguardian.com/world/201​4/jul/23/arizona-killer-still-al​i​ve-an-hour-after-execution-begins

    I'm opposed to state executions, with the exception of incontrovertible evidence of the crime committed of the most heinous of crimes, because I don't have faith in the systems to do it right.
  • "I pray this lawful execution helps bring closure for the Reese family," Arkansas Attorney General Leslie Rutledge said in a statement.

    This is setting off too many alarms in my head.
  • Arkansas had 8 people lined up to be executed - 4 black and 4 white. 3 of the 4 white guys already have stays (the last wants to die). Let's see how many of the black guys Arkansas will kill before the poison expires.

    /If justice is blind, why does it seem to focus on the brown people with laser like focus?
  • Hell, a Kurt Cobain shotgun blast would be more humane.
  • what did that guy do to be sentenced to be executed
  • Munden: I'm opposed to state executions, with the exception of incontrovertible evidence of the crime committed of the most heinous of crimes, because I don't have faith in the systems to do it right.


    That's an excellent point. It seems odd to me that the people who are most in favor of executions are generally the same people most against the government.

    I'm against the death penalty because of the risk of innocents getting executed and the scientific value we can learn from people - studying criminals is how we learned about serial killers and psychopaths. If we just rush to kill, we lose that chance to learn and improve society. Even if we kill after two decades - we still have lost the chance to go back and ask more questions. I mean, science is continuously growing, and you don't always think to ask the right questions the first time around.

    /I also believe that whatever punishment you inflict upon the worst of people in society is a punishment you should be willing to undergo yourself for when you're falsely convicted.
    //You want the death penalty? Ok, let's start with you.
  • lucksi: Ah yes, the US motto "Better to execute 100 innocent people, than one criminal to go free"

    /not saying that this guy was innocent
    //but he could have been seeing that you denied him DNA analysis


    We don't know the details of this case, DNA isn't always applicable.  However we do know that the time limit to execute was about to end, and they waited till three days before to push for new DNA testing; after waiting 24 years.  They weren't trying to prove he was innocent, they were trying to run the clock out.
  • All civilized countries support the death penalty. It's a proven deterrent for future criminals.
  • wildcardjack: We got to a weird point about executions. A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry. More NASA employees have died from nitrogen flushed spaces than in rocket flight. They collapsed and died unconscious almost instantly, since it's an excess of CO2 that causes gasping. Pure nitrogen just zonks out the victim.


    So much this right here...
    Inert Gas Asphyxiation is quick, absolutely painless and damn near impossible to screw up.
    Hell, even a straight-up massive heroin overdose would be easier/more humane than what all these chucklefarks keep trying to do.

    I really do not understand what goes through their Ozark befuddled brains...
  • haywatchthis: what did that guy do to be sentenced to be executed


    Rape and murder.  And from the googles, he was connected to attacks on 5 other women.
  • oh, he raped some women and beat one to death with a bat in her home. strangled another to death
  • Private_Citizen: Arkansas had 8 people lined up to be executed - 4 black and 4 white. 3 of the 4 white guys already have stays (the last wants to die). Let's see how many of the black guys Arkansas will kill before the poison expires.

    /If justice is blind, why does it seem to focus on the brown people with laser like focus?


    It's not the poison, but according to the article, there's a time limit on the state to carry out the execution.
  • Katolu: Hell, a Kurt Cobain shotgun blast would be more humane.


    exactly.  I don't get what's so wrong with it, aside from the mess it would cause.  Another way of doing it could be through rapid blood loss, which would guarantee you unconsciousness before a guaranteed death, with the worst symptom feeling cold.
  • wildcardjack: A bottle of nitrogen gas could be the most effective execution chemical, but they insist on using complicated chemistry.


    A bottle of helium might be a bit more expensive, but is just as effective plus it makes their final words more memorable.
  • It's all part of Trumps "Equality". No preferential treatment here. All are equal to be punished according to their alleged crimes. It's not our fault the persons to be executed lined up like that.
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